Java Newlife [v0.8.11] [Splendid Ostrich]

[stochastic]

While I too am dissatisfied with SO's update pace and amount (I have stopped being a long time patron and will never give him another cent at this point), do you have any evidence of him "purposefully spaghettifying" his code?

As far as I know the only "evidence" of SO "purposefully spaghettifying" his code is from people that have tried to use decompilers on the code and found that it's been run through an obfuscator - I do not know which one. To the best of my knowledge, no one posting here has ever seen Newlife's actual code. Though you can still infer a decent amount from the decompiled, obfuscated code, you can't really tell whether it's "good" or "bad" code, and you can probably figure out more about the structure of the program by paying close attention to how the custom scene API works and what objects and methods it exposes to the Velocity script.

Ultimately, it's SO's stuff to release or keep to themselves, and while I personally wish I could make more significant changes to the game's internals than I can via custom scenes, not sharing the actual code isn't the evil act some people here have tried to argue that it is.

 

[Mallee]

You can find it in a lot of past posts in the thread. Look for instances of "non-con." It almost always comes up when mention of his stance on non-con is relevant. Personally, I don't care for non-con, but its still a shitty thing to do. Yes, I know about UK laws, but no porn game's ever gotten in trouble because of a mod.

I know this is late, but I do want to point out that not only did he make it more difficult for modders to add content to the game he will likely never finish, but his stance on non-con content doesn't even make sense. The UK also has laws against sexual harassment, revenge porn, recording someone without their permission, and having sex with someone too drunk to stand, let alone consent, all of which are legally defined as non-consensual... but they're all in the game. The latter is legally considered rape in the country, btw, but it's a pretty big part of the game regardless.

 

[Cheesea]

I know this is late, but I do want to point out that not only did he make it more difficult for modders to add content to the game he will likely never finish, but his stance on non-con content doesn't even make sense. The UK also has laws against sexual harassment, revenge porn, recording someone without their permission, and having sex with someone too drunk to stand, let alone consent, all of which are legally defined as non-consensual... but they're all in the game. The latter is legally considered rape in the country, btw, but it's a pretty big part of the game regardless.

Yeah, I've thought about this too. I believe that reproductive coercion is illegal as well. I find it extremely hard to believe that SO doesn't see these actions as non-con. Don't get me wrong, the non-con parts are a draw of the game, but there is definitely a double standard based on where SO has chosen to draw a line in the sand.

 

[Dracis3D]

I know this is late, but I do want to point out that not only did he make it more difficult for modders to add content to the game he will likely never finish, but his stance on non-con content doesn't even make sense. The UK also has laws against sexual harassment, revenge porn, recording someone without their permission, and having sex with someone too drunk to stand, let alone consent, all of which are legally defined as non-consensual... but they're all in the game. The latter is legally considered rape in the country, btw, but it's a pretty big part of the game regardless.

Most of the law is geared towards real people doing it to real people, not for 'literatrue' which is what this. Now there is 1950's law for 'obscene publications' that 'deprave' or 'corrupt' people but in reality never really prosecuted. The events listed above are covered in TV shows and in real life news so hardly going to corrupt or cause 'serious harm'.

 

[Asmo316]

Does anybody know when an update is coming?

 

[BoosterBoards]

Does anybody know when an update is coming?

No, not really.

 

[DFCT14]

As far as I know the only "evidence" of SO "purposefully spaghettifying" his code is from people that have tried to use decompilers on the code and found that it's been run through an obfuscator - I do not know which one. To the best of my knowledge, no one posting here has ever seen Newlife's actual code. Though you can still infer a decent amount from the decompiled, obfuscated code, you can't really tell whether it's "good" or "bad" code, and you can probably figure out more about the structure of the program by paying close attention to how the custom scene API works and what objects and methods it exposes to the Velocity script.

Ultimately, it's SO's stuff to release or keep to themselves, and while I personally wish I could make more significant changes to the game's internals than I can via custom scenes, not sharing the actual code isn't the evil act some people here have tried to argue that it is.

Just took a peek, I don't trust the spaghettifiying claims but the dialogue system for a text game leaves much to be desired. The company party scene for instance, wow. I think SO is struggling with the time consuming process of writing code for the scenes as code is indeed being written. The strength of this game is the writing so there should be an emphasis on lubricating that process.

 

[quin2k]

Additionally, he purposefully spaghetti-fied his own code to spite modders.

Ironic that this topic is active, as I was just trying to look at the code myself...
I don't see any evidence of 'speghetti-fied' code. Honestly, the scenes in Java don't look that different from the stuff in additional_scenes\official_content. The root problem is the obfucator he uses does an incredible job of screwing up the first 4 variables. So far as I can tell, it's probably α/Α (alpha) and a/A (letter a) which are different while compiled, but the decompilers automatically lowercase both (java standards) and some can't differentiate a/α.



Now, while it'd be fun to add a few branches to the interactions, what I really want to see is a the UI library replaced with something cross-platform compatible. I've pined for years for an Android port and the existing UI is the only excuse.

 

[Granberia]

You can find it in a lot of past posts in the thread. Look for instances of "non-con." It almost always comes up when mention of his stance on non-con is relevant. Personally, I don't care for non-con, but its still a shitty thing to do. Yes, I know about UK laws, but no porn game's ever gotten in trouble because of a mod.

It's really a weird line for him to draw in the sand because there is actually a noticeable amount of content of that vein in the game.

• Guys can sabotage condoms.
• Many instances of attempts at black mail sex
• A shy MC can get dragged into an alley and rammed by gangbangers because she was too afraid to say no or speak up.
• Jerks will take home an MC that gets too blackout drunk and will not only fuck her while she's barely aware, but can also choose to intentionally nut inside her with the intention of locking her down with pregnancy. There's several other instances of date rape situations, but that one is probably the most clear cut
• If your MC doesn't have lube and asks a guy to use her juices as a substitute, jerks can use the opportunity to slip their dick inside and start pounding her. They'll even do it if they know she's a virgin, and a low self-esteem MC will rationalize it away by thinking that it's fine that she didn't want it because she isn't worth respecting.
• Guys will also try the ol' "You said that you needed a condom or that you didn't want to have actual penetrative sex? Oopsie doodle! I deliberately kept my cock at your entrance, and it slipped inside while we were grinding/making out. Guess we're having unprotected sex now, which I'm sure you're aware of it because I started ramming you at light speed the moment it did."
• Therapist that not only hypnotizes her into sex, but hypnotizes her into becoming a breeding slut with the intention of impregnating her
• One of the possible boyfriend/husband routes for your MC includes his best friend trying to blackmail her into sex through her boyfriend/husband's debts. If she has both a sensitive breasts and sensitive pussy, he'll try to take advantage of it to essentially incapacitate her through orgasms so that he can take her to pound town without resistance

Et cetera. There's no instances of her being actually held down and fucked while struggling— actually, there are situations where she is held down now that I think about it, but she's either into it, resigned, or too cowed to stand up for herself. Regardless, the point is that there's still stuff that would be considered rape.

 

[anon1010]

It's really a weird line for him to draw in the sand because there is actually a noticeable amount of content of that vein in the game.

• Guys can sabotage condoms.
• Many instances of attempts at black mail sex
• A shy MC can get dragged into an alley and rammed by gangbangers because she was too afraid to say no or speak up.
• Jerks will take home an MC that gets too blackout drunk and will not only fuck her while she's barely aware, but can also choose to intentionally nut inside her with the intention of locking her down with pregnancy. There's several other instances of date rape situations, but that one is probably the most clear cut
• If your MC doesn't have lube and asks a guy to use her juices as a substitute, jerks can use the opportunity to slip their dick inside and start pounding her. They'll even do it if they know she's a virgin, and a low self-esteem MC will rationalize it away by thinking that it's fine that she didn't want it because she isn't worth respecting.
• Guys will also try the ol' "You said that you needed a condom or that you didn't want to have actual penetrative sex? Oopsie doodle! I deliberately kept my cock at your entrance, and it slipped inside while we were grinding/making out. Guess we're having unprotected sex now, which I'm sure you're aware of it because I started ramming you at light speed the moment it did."
• Therapist that not only hypnotizes her into sex, but hypnotizes her into becoming a breeding slut with the intention of impregnating her
• One of the possible boyfriend/husband routes for your MC includes his best friend trying to blackmail her into sex through her boyfriend/husband's debts. If she has both a sensitive breasts and sensitive pussy, he'll try to take advantage of it to essentially incapacitate her through orgasms so that he can take her to pound town without resistance

Et cetera. There's no instances of her being actually held down and fucked while struggling— actually, there are situations where she is held down now that I think about it, but she's either into it, resigned, or too cowed to stand up for herself. Regardless, the point is that there's still stuff that would be considered rape.

sounds like there's a decent amount of content I've missed like the 1st and 4th, have any more examples?

 

[Someflares]

If anyone is interested, you can play this game on Android in a Linux virtual machine, you don't need the rooted phone now.
Yes you need basic Linux howto to do this.
Use Andronix:

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Check their website or YouTube to check how to use and setup everything.

I use all their defaults, Ubuntu with XFC, Termux as a terminal, and VNC viewer as a viewer. (Just like their how to)

Than you need to add open java from the repo and you can run the jar.
Game runs saves and loads without any problems, controls are a bit problematic at least for me but after a bit it's passable.

I know it takes some time to start the game because you have to run the terminal start the VM when visualization to be able to start the game each time but if you have a phone with decent resources you can leave it running in the background.

How you've been able to do this...? Please.

~$ vncsever -localhost
...new 'localhost:1 ()' desktop is localhost:1
...starting applications specified in..../xstartup
~$ export DISPLAY=":1"
~$ proot -0
...java bad system call error otherwise...
java -jar .../Corrupted\ Saviours.jar

Error java.awt.HeadlessException

It's been 8 hours of installing Ubuntu on Termux and trying various methods to get this work (and fixing various issues alongside with complete incompetence in Linux)
If it weren't for my familiarity with programming in general and stubbornness, I wouldn't have gotten this far...

It's another game actually but all should be same in general
But for this game it's different error..
unsatisfiedlinkerror with possible architecture mismatch
I'm crying.

 

[Someflares]

Nvm I've done it.

 

[ohwhatnow]

sounds like there's a decent amount of content I've missed like the 1st and 4th, have any more examples?

Not sure what you've seen, but to add a couple more items to that list:

• There's an event where you can catch someone messing with your birth control pills.
• If friends with an impregnator they may ask you to investigate a different female character and help get them pregnant.
• If friends with an impregnator (not clear-headed, or they are handsome) and you have the cunning trait the tanya event occurs, where he will try to get an old acquaintance pregnant after she announces her engagement (my favorite event in the game).
• Your boyfriend may introduce you to a jerk friend, who will specifically ask about birth control and try a few schemes to sleep with you including blackmail and alcohol.
• It's rare and I don't know the conditions, but you can sabotage the office job rival's birth control when she tries to fuck her boss.

And to be honest, there's a lot of other arguably non-con things in there. For instance if a condom breaks midway some partners will refuse to replace it and some will refuse to pull out, etc. There's blackmail events from work, or if you are cheating, etc. It's not like I want to be strict about what's considered non-con, but if "legal reasons" are really a concern for SO it's a bit bizarre just how much of the game has and still is arguably under that umbrella. I'd rather just have them admit to not being into it (anymore?) than acting like it's some outside force compelling them to stop.

 

[Granberia]

sounds like there's a decent amount of content I've missed like the 1st and 4th, have any more examples?

I guess another major example would be the maid event you can get with the tall, posh, lesbian black woman after your MC meets her and her short girlfriend while dancing at the bar. If your MC has the cunning trait, she can get her drunk and call a male friend over to drag her into the bedroom and pound her into the mattress. She had never been with a man before this point, and her girlfriend will break up with her if she becomes pregnant from this encounter.
She also expresses shock and some amount of disgust prior to being dragged to the bedroom if the guy is ugly, fat, or old IIRC.