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That's correct, but in fact, there were the prototype before standing armies that were sometimes called as "mercenary armies", this people normally came from commoners, but they weren't use by many all the time because they weren't precisely reliable and sometimes (if not most) were undisciplined and hard to group and follow orders. Besides, they weren't stand much against a knight, as mercenaries most of them just had light armor and weapons for mobility and not the best trained is most kind of weapons.from your replies i get filing that you have some misconceptions how wars where prepared planed and waged in reality. most of time in human history lessons of war where never analyzed and mistakes where never taught to next generation and there where many reasons for it.
1)there where no standing armies for most of time so in most peaceful country's and because of that there didn't exist institutions which would give knowledge to peoples
Sun Tzu said: "The Commander stands for the virtues of wisdom, sincerely, benevolence, courage and strictness.".from your replies i get filing that you have some misconceptions how wars where prepared planed and waged in reality. most of time in human history lessons of war where never analyzed and mistakes where never taught to next generation and there where many reasons for it.
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2)art of war quite precisely describes how people sought of war mainly the "ART" part they sought that for waging wars no special knowledge was needed and aura of command was innate quality of humans
"There are three ways in which a ruler can bring misfortune upon his army:
1) By commanding the army to advance or to retreat, being ignorant of the fact that it cannot obey. This is called hobbling the army.".
"There are roads which must not be followed, armies which must be not attacked, towns which must be besieged, positions which must not be contested, commands of the sovereign which must not be obeyed."
The thing isn't about "special knowledge" but not being a complete ignorant, Commanders were made not born.
I complete agree, there were times of peace were any form of passing knowledge would just be treat like "meh" and by this, forget-ignored until came war times and many pay the consequences.from your replies i get filing that you have some misconceptions how wars where prepared planed and waged in reality. most of time in human history lessons of war where never analyzed and mistakes where never taught to next generation and there where many reasons for it.
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3)there wear very few chances for even for nobles to learn to lead army at best they learned from personal experience (this greatly was depended on person and most never learned anything) and most time they made very horrible conclusion or they where taught from already experience commanders .
That's true, but as you mentioned before:from your replies i get filing that you have some misconceptions how wars where prepared planed and waged in reality. most of time in human history lessons of war where never analyzed and mistakes where never taught to next generation and there where many reasons for it.
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4)most ancient wars were from strategic point of view unimageable terrible MOST commanders(nobles or equivalent ) made basic mistakes and in most cases doomed whole armies and kingdoms
"3)there wear very few chances for even for nobles to learn to lead army at best they learned from personal experience (this greatly was depended on person and most never learned anything) and most time they made very horrible conclusion or they where taught from already experience commanders ."
And we can't forget that they were still humans, for much they could study and had experience all committed mistakes. Something for what is told about Rowan during war is difficult to assimilate by taking his origins (and mostly from what we see in Act I).
Again, i complete agree, but not all of them were complete ignorant without any form of studies. Otherwise no one could just achieve something important to forge history.from your replies i get filing that you have some misconceptions how wars where prepared planed and waged in reality. most of time in human history lessons of war where never analyzed and mistakes where never taught to next generation and there where many reasons for it.
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5)almost all good generals were bit of lucky and lead armies from there personal experience
from your replies i get filing that you have some misconceptions how wars where prepared planed and waged in reality. most of time in human history lessons of war where never analyzed and mistakes where never taught to next generation and there where many reasons for it.
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6)what nobles learned wasn't strategy but how to wiled weapons' and how to fight
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Thanks, i pretty sure they did, nonetheless as i wrote they are humans, much different from Rowan's achievements during war.from your replies i get filing that you have some misconceptions how wars where prepared planed and waged in reality. most of time in human history lessons of war where never analyzed and mistakes where never taught to next generation and there where many reasons for it.
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7)i recommend you to read how crusaders fought and lost jerusalem or how romans fought against hanibal and or about any other war and i guaranty you in most cases you will finds 100 of stupid's decisions
As i wrote in other post, if we were told that Rowan came from a Noble House in disgrace now in poverty it would just make a lot of sense, for me, it depends of the circumstances...if you read any history i guarantee you you will agree that what rowan did is quite realistic
Well, Diocletian wasn't confirmed in reality from were he came from, some said as you stated, others that he was freedman while others said that he was the son of a scribe, so in a sense you can picked his origin by how much you hate him; he was acclaim Emperor by his army. Regarding Aurelius in sharing commons with Diocletian, both lived before Feudalism.also i think these people will greatly disagree with you
DIOCLETIAN son of a former slave became emperor
AURELIUS peasant became one of best generals of rome and emperor
Liu Bang lived after the Fengjian, which in China in contrast with Europe was like the Middle Age with it's Feudalism. Regarding Toyotomi Hideyoshi, he lived during is considered Feudalism in Japan because a few centuries before Minamoto no Yoritomo founded the Shogunate, nonetheless, this Feudalism wasn't as the Fengjian in China nor like in Europe because it was perfectly possible to change the position in live, that was close by Toyotomi Hideyoshi, he declare that any born peasant will die peasant (by taking him in a few words), and that last for at least 3 centuries.also i think these people will greatly disagree with you
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liu bang peasant became rebel leader than emperor
TOYOTOMI HIDEYOSHI from peasant to ruler of japan
Yes, please, because of the things i don't like of Feudalism the Cast Systems or States Systems in were anyone couldn't change his live for better. I don't know if you had played this game, i know that i wrote much the word Feudalism but that's something important to considerate, most when Rowan himself had to live that reality because it is remarked in the game when The Twins ask him for advice, to change Bloodmeen for a Feudalism full of shit system in were Rowan is given an Hereditary Tittle by The Twins or continue under the old virtue of Might Makes Right. I don't know what you choose but i get second, fuck Feudalism.there are MANY more examples i can give you.
Now with that in mind, again, how a commoner like Rowan could just do all the things acknowledge to him? I don't fucking known, because for me doesn't make sense.
It can, but in Rowan's circumstances would just be very hard to be true, there's needed an explanation because by it's told of him it's just too good to felt real.I want to end with my opinion that logically these people shouldn't been able to achieve what they achieved but with combination of there mind luck and incompetence of other people despite all odd's they managed so if rowan manages to do same its quite realistic .
As it is still readable don't worry. Don't fear to make use of a translator from time to time. Pleased to debate with you.sorry for bad English
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