VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.13.2] [Nyx]

[bananabrown]

Man . This game has so many routes with on ramps, off ramps, she knows her, she's related to her, you just screwed so and so, have x amount of points for this scene, if you do a route that way you get this hidden variation. A lot of it for drama just for the sake of it.

Hard to keep it all straight even with a flowchart. Probably why I've picked this up and dropped it a couple times.

Its like a chimera between a over-done daytime soap opera and a RPG min-maxer's wet dream.

I like to call it the "Fuck around and find out" mechanic. It's one of the reasons I've supported the game for so many years.

I roll my eyes everytime I play a game where I can cheat on someone or date multiple people and all the girls accept it or encourage it. It removes any weight from your actions and most weight from a Li's believability. I want characters to feel hurt, jealous or anger if I do something that's fucked up.

It's also why I'm not a fan of throuples in games. How can I imagine a deep relationship with Elena if I can just stack Layla on top of her and fuck them both? It takes away meaningful agency in the story. Why would you break Layla's heart if she just gave you around of applause for fucking her friend?

It's why I hold almost every Li in this game in high regard. ( besides the crazy good female dialogue writing )



Why would I need to bother making so many route saves if nothing actually mattered? I love mixing and matching all of my routes and they ALL feel vastly different from one another.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

I like to call it the "Fuck around and find out" mechanic. It's one of the reasons I've supported the game for so many years.

I roll my eyes everytime I play a game where I can cheat on someone or date multiple people and all the girls accept it or encourage it. It removes any weight from your actions and most weight from a Li's believability. I want characters to feel hurt, jealous or anger if I do something that's fucked up.

It's also why I'm not a fan of throuples in games. How can I imagine a deep relationship with Elena if I can just stack Layla on top of her and fuck them both? It takes away meaningful agency in the story. Why would you break Layla's heart if she just gave you around of applause for fucking her friend?

It's why I hold almost every Li in this game in high regard. ( besides the crazy good female dialogue writing )

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Why would I need to bother making so many route saves if nothing actually mattered? I love mixing and matching all of my routes and they ALL feel vastly different from one another.

Sure. There's "fuck around and find out cheater" for the obvious scumbag choices and then there's "everyone is related somehow and you didn't know you're a bad person". Soap opera writing. To be completely fair it IS in the name "Intertwined". IRL you could work through these things, but in game land you get lock ins and off ramps. Then you have to troubleshoot for every particular variable of why a certain scene didn't play or what different variations there are to get the specific content you want.

Like I said, its like a chimera between a over-done daytime soap opera and a RPG min-maxer's wet dream.

Its a fine game but one I'm probably not going play much till Its done to min-max. Don't like making choices without details then having to go back. Too tedious. Real life is enough of that for me.

 

[anonnyscouse]

Sure. There's "fuck around and find out cheater" for the obvious scumbag choices and then there's "everyone is related somehow and you didn't know you're a bad person". Soap opera writing. To be completely fair it IS in the name "Intertwined". IRL you could work through these things, but in game land you get lock ins and off ramps. Then you have to troubleshoot for every particular variable of why a certain scene didn't play or what different variations there are to get the specific content you want.

Like I said, its like a chimera between a over-done daytime soap opera and a RPG min-maxer's wet dream.

Its a fine game but one I'm probably not going play much till Its done to min-max. Don't like making choices without details then having to go back. Too tedious. Real life is enough of that for me.

What has happened in the game that wouldn't happen the same way IRL? If this was IRL and you find out you are dating two sisters then you'd have to break up with one of them for the other one to be happy, if you try carrying on with both of them and they find out then you're fucked (and not in the good way) just like in this game. Same as if you were dating two best friends. Even if you didn't know the relationship between the girls beforehand you'd have to find an "off ramp" IRL too.

I get that we're used to games where there are no consequences to dating multiple girls for at least a certain period of time regardless of relation and then you get a clear choice over which girl you continue with and she won't care about who else you dated, or games where getting with one girl automatically causes you to not be able to pursue another girl on the same run, but this game aims for realism.

And yes Nyx does overdo the relationship dynamics and MC's ignorance of them to artificially raise the drama, however there is always a way out when you find out that two girls you are pursuing have a relationship (whether familial or friendship) which would cause problem when they find out about each other. For instance if you continue the Lexi relationship and trying to build the Layla relationship after the pizza lunch scene when you find out they are sisters, that's on you not on Nyx, you are given clear chances to end either relationship before they turn up at your door.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

And yes Nyx does overdo the relationship dynamics and MC's ignorance of them to artificially raise the drama

This is the thrust of it right here.

Again nothing inherently wrong with the game. Over dramatic web of relations is the main point of the game, I'm just stating that I think its silly.

 

[bananabrown]

Like I said, its like a chimera between a over-done daytime soap opera and a RPG min-maxer's wet dream.

Its a fine game but one I'm probably not going play much till Its done to min-max. Don't like making choices without details then having to go back. Too tedious. Real life is enough of that for me.

Yeah totally fair.

If you aren't familiar with the game the arbitray point system can be punishing.

You missed a scene because you didn't look at her tits in one moment, missing out on points, but you grabbed her ass in another and lost some.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Again nothing inherently wrong with the game.

If you aren't familiar with the game the arbitray point system can be punishing.

Yeah I shouldn't have said that. There is one thing wrong with the game I suppose.

 

[Kaskaze]

Damn, I wish I had access to e14 already

 

[Justaphase]

Damn, I wish I had access to e14 already

That Nyx hasn't finished making yet? A few months away yet sadly.

 

[cxx]

but this game aims for realism.

well................ this has still that every girl can get attached on mc, sure it'll backfire at some point but still and can continue with other girls (no idea for how long).

 

[Kaskaze]

That Nyx hasn't finished making yet? A few months away yet sadly.

I hope that since this update is smaller, it may come out faster. I wonder about the fact of this visit to Adrianna. Maybe Ethan will try to cause some trouble at school

 

[Dessolos]

I hope that since this update is smaller, it may come out faster. I wonder about the fact of this visit to Adrianna. Maybe Ethan will try to cause some trouble at school

I mean everyone is stupid to some degree in this game but don't think he is that stupid

 

[LSC82]

I hope that since this update is smaller, it may come out faster. I wonder about the fact of this visit to Adrianna. Maybe Ethan will try to cause some trouble at school

The good one would be we are going to the principal because we punched Zach in the hallways.
Other possibility is Val related... Val's mom probably calls the school to say her daughter ain't going, explains that her daughter was out on a date with another student...

The preview pictures for the most part keep it safe, i doubt the pictures with Layla-Elena are on the Elena path for example, they are either Layla(+throuple still possible) or friendly relationship.
Some nice moments of Gabi and Tori "death-staring" you with Layla.

This is the thrust of it right here.

Again nothing inherently wrong with the game. Over dramatic web of relations is the main point of the game, I'm just stating that I think its silly.

Most games, even those that aren't harems and force you to make a final choice, tend to let you get away with a lot.
You string along several girls and they are all blissfully unaware of what happens when they are off screen... your main girl doesn't get mad with the fact that you were fucking 5 other chicks at the same time as her when you finally commit to her.
Intertwined is the opposite of that, everything is designed to come back to bite you... even things that look like you should be able to keep a secret at first end up coming back.
It is perhaps over the top with how everyone knows everyone in some way, but like you said it's the main point of the game.

There's a lot of dedication to keeping the girls consistent, showing their jealousy, getting defensive... and giving clear signs of wanting more if they know you have someone else.

 

[cooldevo]

Most games, even those that aren't harems and force you to make a final choice, tend to let you get away with a lot.
You string along several girls and they are all blissfully unaware of what happens when they are off screen... your main girl doesn't get mad with the fact that you were fucking 5 other chicks at the same time as her when you finally commit to her.
Intertwined is the opposite of that, everything is designed to come back to bite you... even things that look like you should be able to keep a secret at first end up coming back.
It is perhaps over the top with how everyone knows everyone in some way, but like you said it's the main point of the game.

There's a lot of dedication to keeping the girls consistent, showing their jealousy, getting defensive... and giving clear signs of wanting more if they know you have someone else.

Bang on! It's almost like it's right in the game name, everything is *intertwined*, very heavily at time.

It's not just about bagging and tagging another LI. And there's enough different personalities that everyone should be able to find at least a LI or two/three that they like. There's already drama if you make poor LI decisions, and a very big buildup coming as all the LIs are preparing to descend into town. And that's what makes this one quite unique.

 

[LSC82]

Bang on! It's almost like it's right in the game name, everything is *intertwined*, very heavily at time.

It's not just about bagging and tagging another LI. And there's enough different personalities that everyone should be able to find at least a LI or two/three that they like. There's already drama if you make poor LI decisions, and a very big buildup coming as all the LIs are preparing to descend into town. And that's what makes this one quite unique.

It's a game that allows you to be brave and create a lot trouble, but if you want to be a good boyfriend you can do that too... Just don't expect to be able to fuck around and have the girls will be ok with it.

Personally, in Intertwined feeding the jealousy of the girls and setting them up for conflict is just as much fun as actually romancing the girls, at least for me it is.
There's so much detail just under the surface for you to pay attention and appreciate.

And like you said there's a lot still to come.

 

[Tremonia]

I hope that since this update is smaller, it may come out faster.

The next update is "just" one in-game day and will not have lewd scenes. Maybe May we should see it. But that's just me guessing on base of Nyx' normal "delivery" time without knowing anything about the planned story. So don't blame anyone when it's not coming out in May.

 

[cxx]

So don't blame anyone when it's not coming out in May.

nope if it comes july or before.

 

[Kaskaze]

The next update is "just" one in-game day and will not have lewd scenes. Maybe May we should see it. But that's just me guessing on base of Nyx' normal "delivery" time without knowing anything about the planned story. So don't blame anyone when it's not coming out in May.

One part of me completely understands the process of creating a story and I have no problem with waiting. But on the other hand I wish there was an update every week. Personally, I was thinking about June

 

[Tremonia]

One part of me completely understands the process of creating a story and I have no problem with waiting. But on the other hand I wish there was an update every week. Personally, I was thinking about June

I understand completely. With the really good AVN, I can never wait for the next update. But since I played around with Ren'Py and DAZ myself out of curiosity, I know how much effort it takes. Not to mention finding suitable assets, characters, etc. All in all, Nyx is one of the devs who work very fast. For the last update it was a little less than ten months and she just knocked out almost 7400 renders and the corresponding code for all the branches. Show me another dev doing this.

 

[Kaskaze]

I understand completely. With the really good AVN, I can never wait for the next update. But since I played around with Ren'Py and DAZ myself out of curiosity, I know how much effort it takes. Not to mention finding suitable assets, characters, etc. All in all, Nyx is one of the devs who work very fast. For the last update it was a little less than ten months and she just knocked out almost 7400 renders and the corresponding code for all the branches. Show me another dev doing this.

And what was your result? I have to see how it works myself, but I have no idea how to write the code Will the working speed depend on the computer?

 

[Maviarab]

And what was your result? I have to see how it works myself, but I have no idea how to write the code Will the working speed depend on the computer?

Daz completly is dependant on your GPU. If that fails, it switches to using your CPU, you never want that. Code speed, depends on how quickly you can type and understand Ren'py's python base.

But considering, depending on complexity, just setting up a scene, lighting, posing of characters etc and rendering said image can take up to....or over an hour depending on complexity and your hardware....

You start to get the point. Sure, there are some devs who knock out 1000 renders a fortnight...and it honestly, it shows in their quality. Some devs choose to render at only 720p to decrease render time....perfectly viable...but kids want everything in 4k these days...so...it's a trade-off.

You want excellent quality renders, branching paths, subtle differtences in dialogue etc etc....you begin to realise why shit takes time. Making your own assets from scratch (ie not store bought)...adds even more time...postwork in photoshop after all your rendering done to either enhance of fix something....all depending on course, Daz actually does what you want it to and doesn't decide to crash when it feels like it