VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[tofhdns]

The story is not Sophia, but Sophia as "A wife and mother". That was the story from the beginning. For example, remember the scene in the car with Dylan sitting on Sophia's lap, looking down Ellie's cleavage. The story between Dylan and Ellie runs through the entire game, and repeatedly has repercussions for Sophia, as she is the mother of them. Just like you can't take Sophia out of the game, you can't take Dylan, Liam and Ellie out of the game either. Without Dylan, for examle, there is no Aiden story. Also, Without Liam, there is no Casino and therefore no Mafia in the game, etc., etc. As I said, the story is Sophia as "A wife and mother", and not just Sophia. What could easily be taken out of the game were the side jobs, because they had nothing to do with the story of the game. Just Sophia is boring. Only the possible consequences and entanglements give the game depth.That's why Dylan and Ellie are so important, and also what develops between them. This is something that many people here unfortunately don't understand.

Dylan's peek at Ellie's breasts was merely a device to inform the audience of their relationship.

Even now, their relationship is just an event for Sofia, and the main plot is not about Sofia improving their relationship.

Dylan is the main character.

But that's not because he's Sophia's son, but because this developer decided so.

Again, Sophia's family includes Dylan and Ellie as well as Liam and Patricia, as well as her parents.

Are all of these main characters?

As you said, before that, Dylan was just a device that connected Sophia and Aiden.

But now, his own story is being created.

It's not because Dylan "was" the main character, but because Dylan "became" the main character.

 

[XaGnard]

Dylan's peek at Ellie's breasts was merely a device to inform the audience of their relationship.

Even now, their relationship is just an event for Sofia, and the main plot is not about Sofia improving their relationship.

Dylan is the main character.

But that's not because he's Sophia's son, but because this developer decided so.

Again, Sophia's family includes Dylan and Ellie as well as Liam and Patricia, as well as her parents.

Are all of these main characters?

As you said, before that, Dylan was just a device that connected Sophia and Aiden.

But now, his own story is being created.

It's not because Dylan "was" the main character, but because Dylan "became" the main character.

Everything in this game, including Sophia as a main character, is decided by the author. That's just the way it is with fictional stories.

What I'm really starting to wonder is why you're so qonsequntly ignoring the title of this game and even the plot. If it doesn't suit you, then create your own game, but AWAM is what it is, not what you or I want it to be.

One more thing about Aiden. He makes no sense without Dylan, and you should also think about the plot twist that has since been removed.To think that Dylan is just a side character is just wrong. This games was always also about him as Sophia son.

 

[tofhdns]

Everything in this game, including Sophia as a main character, is decided by the author. That's just the way it is with fictional stories.

What I'm really starting to wonder is why you're so qonsequntly ignoring the title of this game and even the plot. If it doesn't suit you, then create your own game, but AWAM is what it is, not what you or I want it to be.

One more thing about Aiden. He makes no sense without Dylan, and you should also think about the plot twist that has since been removed.To think that Dylan is just a side character is just wrong. This games was always also about him as Sophia son.

Starting with the obvious fact that "the dollar is a key currency, but not the standard currency of each country," there are too many things that need to be explained here.

In other places, I discuss with people the psychology and justification of plot and characters, but here I have to talk about "main character O or X."

Because Dylan is the main character:
The scene where Sophia is threatened by subway thugs was detailed, but the scene where Dylan is beaten by Aiden was omitted?
The scene where Sophia talks to the police was unnecessarily long, but the scene where Dylan learns martial arts was omitted?

Part 1: In bed, when Sophia's hand touches Dylan's cock, why describe Sophia's feelings and not Dylan's?

Because Dylan was the main character from the beginning?

And I didn't deny that the developer decided to make Dylan the main character.
I am criticizing it.

Again, Dylan wasn't the main character, but this developer decided to make him the main character in Part 2, and I'm criticizing this decision because it delays Sofia's story.

And when you don't like the soccer team's performance, instead of criticizing it, you decide to create your own soccer team?

 

[rAmSiMaL]

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I see all three bars complete by the end of the week! With 700 renders and animations included I see editing taking more than 3 weeks and as always a few days (3-4) for final testing. Without holidays release mid January, with holidays release end of January…

Unless LP follows his usual tradition and releases the update a couple of days in February!

 

[Galaktur]

Everything in this game, including Sophia as a main character, is decided by the author. That's just the way it is with fictional stories.

What I'm really starting to wonder is why you're so qonsequntly ignoring the title of this game and even the plot. If it doesn't suit you, then create your own game, but AWAM is what it is, not what you or I want it to be.

One more thing about Aiden. He makes no sense without Dylan, and you should also think about the plot twist that has since been removed.To think that Dylan is just a side character is just wrong. This games was always also about him as Sophia son.

The main character is only Sofia! All other characters are secondary! This is a fact that you don't want to accept in any way and are trying to justify the developer's lies! This has been happening since the very beginning of the game! But then, in order to stretch the game and milk the suckers, he came up with an excuse. Then another and a third. Now he started lying about some other main characters.

 

[DylansMoM_001]

We moooooveeeeee!!!!!

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[HulaMaster]

Excuse me if this has been answered already in the thread… but what is Steam and why is this a priority to L&P?

 

[FullyAnimated]

It's not because Dylan "was" the main character, but because Dylan "became" the main character.

And I would be fine with that, if his end game was Amber, not Sophia.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

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Hero?

 

[sept0342]

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It just moved a 5% since Saturday? (excluding the animations)

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

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[palmtrees89]

I see all three bars complete by the end of the week! With 700 renders and animations included I see editing taking more than 3 weeks and as always a few days (3-4) for final testing. Without holidays release mid January, with holidays release end of January…

Unless LP follows his usual tradition and releases the update a couple of days in February!

When you say "all three bars", are you talking about CS+RS+Animations? The first 70% on animations took 3 and a half months. I doubt he'll be finishing the last 30% in just 4 days. lol

And if he does, that would beg for other questions.

 

[XaGnard]

The main character is only Sofia! All other characters are secondary! This is a fact that you don't want to accept in any way and are trying to justify the developer's lies! This has been happening since the very beginning of the game! But then, in order to stretch the game and milk the suckers, he came up with an excuse. Then another and a third. Now he started lying about some other main characters.

This whole discussion is so twisted. SOME tell me that it's L&P who made Dylan a 2nd main character, while some other write here that only Sophia is a main character. Sorry, That's just pointless nonsense.

What is crucial is that this game is not about Sophia, but about Sophia as "A wife and mother" and always has been. This gives Dylan, Liam and Ellie a special significance. Therefore, It only makes sense to tell something from their perspective, for better story telling, as it ultimately also has an impact on Sophia. This is exactly what L&P announced in its introduction and is now implementing. Unfortunately much too slow, but that's another topic.

 

[rAmSiMaL]

When you say "all three bars", are you talking about CS+RS+Animations? The first 70% on animations took 3 and a half months. I doubt he'll be finishing the last 30% in just 4 days. lol

And if he does, that would beg for other questions.

If I’m not mistaken animation is embedded once he gets to the point of production progress he needs to put it. If for example there is an animation in the middle of the event you won’t see any progress on it before the render production gets at 50%. So the delay is actually caused by the progress on render production. So, the last 30% should be part of the final scene and since he’s done with render production there’s nothing that prevents animation completion.

 

[rAmSiMaL]

Hero?

Too early

 

[rAmSiMaL]

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[Deleted Member 69]

I'm gonna preface I'm new to the game and I started playing it from Part 2.
But as a former NSFW game dev myself (alt-account ), I'd like to praise the dev(s) for how they have nicely structured the "fetish/partner selection" and the crystal clear GUI which uses screenshots as previews.
If we'd only came up with such a professional layout, we would have prolly dodged a lot of criticism for the lack (or the presence) of certain situations/fetishes.

Congrats!

 

[PaxHadrian17]

This whole discussion is so twisted. SOME tell me that it's L&P who made Dylan a 2nd main character, while some other write here that only Sophia is a main character. Sorry, That's just pointless nonsense.

What is crucial is that this game is not about Sophia, but about Sophia as "A wife and mother" and always has been. This gives Dylan, Liam and Ellie a special significance. Therefore, It only makes sense to tell something from their perspective, for better story telling, as it ultimately also has an impact on Sophia. This is exactly what L&P announced in its introduction and is now implementing. Unfortunately much too slow, but that's another topic.

I agree. The journey Sophia is on is not exclusively hers - she is A Wife and Mother.

Her interactions with Liam (what few there are) help define her as a wife (and give her reasons to begin to appreciate affection from other people since Liam can hardly be bothered).

Her interactions with Ellie and Dylan help define her as a mother.

I don't see the need to Sophia to be in Every scene, but I would expect to see one or more of the Parkers in every scene.

I was fine with Sophia leaving to go to the art class and Liam and Cathy had an erotic moment when Cathy was trying on her wedding dress and Liam could watch or not - his choice.

I'm fine with Ellie and Dylan both being at the same event, regardless of how far they actually go on this PD.

I would like to see more of Sophia's introspection about what is happening around her, in particular with Ellie and Dylan.

I'm hoping that Sophia will overhear some of what goes on in the final event of this PD and that it will help to shape her future interactions with Ellie and Dylan.

Part of her journey is accepting that her children are becoming sexual beings and eavesdropping on this kind of conversation can help her to see both Ellie and Dylan in this light as well as prompt thoughts about intimate times she has spent/might spend with each of them.

So - reality check - Time...

I see the major issue with any scene L&P creates as the amount of time it takes versus how it advances the story.

Is this scene the fulcrum on which the Ellie/Dylan relationship turns?

Development plays out SO slowly that I don't know whether or not this choice - who Dylan spends the evening with - is the final 'either/or' for Dylan/Sophia and Dylan/Ellie.

If it is and Dylan chooses to go to Christine's party, is this the equivalent of sending Dylan to boarding school (he no longer has much activity, in the way of content, with Sophia?

I understand those who want only/almost only Sophia based events given how Very Slow development is.

I simply don't see L&P changing course and pushing Ellie and Dylan to the periphery such that one or both can only be present if included in a scene with Sophia.

Cheers!!

 

[tofhdns]

This whole discussion is so twisted. SOME tell me that it's L&P who made Dylan a 2nd main character, while some other write here that only Sophia is a main character. Sorry, That's just pointless nonsense.

What is crucial is that this game is not about Sophia, but about Sophia as "A wife and mother" and always has been. This gives Dylan, Liam and Ellie a special significance. Therefore, It only makes sense to tell something from their perspective, for better story telling, as it ultimately also has an impact on Sophia. This is exactly what L&P announced in its introduction and is now implementing. Unfortunately much too slow, but that's another topic.

I don't understand why this should be a topic of discussion.

Sophia, as well as Dylan and Ellie, were not born naturally but were created by this developer.

Of course, the developer decides who the main character is.

You make me say the same thing over and over again, is Liam the MC?
Why is Sam an important character? Sophia is neither his mother nor his wife.
Because he's a friend of Sophia's son?

What about Natalie? Is it a meaningless existence?
What about Murray and Ivan?

Does it mean something because Alicia is the mother of Sofia's son's friend?

The principal is Sophia's boss at work and the principal of her son's school. Why has his presence diminished?

You just claim without being able to explain.

The game starts with Sofia's dialogue and shows Sofia's dialogue the most.
What was “MC Dylan (you claim)” doing at this time, and how much of an impression did he have on the audience?
(I'm not talking about the current Dylan.)

There is a narration explaining the character at the beginning of the game, so please look for how many times the word "protagonist" appears and what character it refers to.

Spoiler: protagonist

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Spoiler: This is how the creators show MC and non-MC

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Spoiler: What did Dylan do at this time?

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The reason Dylan, who was not an MC, became an MC in Part 2 was because the developer decided that way.
That's it.

And the tag introducing this game still only has “female protagonist.”
There is no “male protagonist”.
If your Dylan isn't a woman, he wasn't a "protagonist." (In Part 1)

 

[tofhdns]

I agree. The journey Sophia is on is not exclusively hers - she is A Wife and Mother.

Her interactions with Liam (what few there are) help define her as a wife (and give her reasons to begin to appreciate affection from other people since Liam can hardly be bothered).

Her interactions with Ellie and Dylan help define her as a mother.

I don't see the need to Sophia to be in Every scene, but I would expect to see one or more of the Parkers in every scene.

I was fine with Sophia leaving to go to the art class and Liam and Cathy had an erotic moment when Cathy was trying on her wedding dress and Liam could watch or not - his choice.

I'm fine with Ellie and Dylan both being at the same event, regardless of how far they actually go on this PD.

I would like to see more of Sophia's introspection about what is happening around her, in particular with Ellie and Dylan.

I'm hoping that Sophia will overhear some of what goes on in the final event of this PD and that it will help to shape her future interactions with Ellie and Dylan.

Part of her journey is accepting that her children are becoming sexual beings and eavesdropping on this kind of conversation can help her to see both Ellie and Dylan in this light as well as prompt thoughts about intimate times she has spent/might spend with each of them.

So - reality check - Time...

I see the major issue with any scene L&P creates as the amount of time it takes versus how it advances the story.

Is this scene the fulcrum on which the Ellie/Dylan relationship turns?

Development plays out SO slowly that I don't know whether or not this choice - who Dylan spends the evening with - is the final 'either/or' for Dylan/Sophia and Dylan/Ellie.

If it is and Dylan chooses to go to Christine's party, is this the equivalent of sending Dylan to boarding school (he no longer has much activity, in the way of content, with Sophia?

I understand those who want only/almost only Sophia based events given how Very Slow development is.

I simply don't see L&P changing course and pushing Ellie and Dylan to the periphery such that one or both can only be present if included in a scene with Sophia.

Cheers!!

The fact that Dylan is the MC means that Dylan's story can be written without Sophia.
(I keep pointing this out)

The mutual relationship is just a device to show Sophia.
Not all characters become MCs just because they are involved in a mutual relationship.

Excluding Sophia, most of Dylan's stories become useless and have no reason for the audience to watch.

On the other hand, Sophia's story is mostly maintained even without Dylan.

Aiden, Jack, and Emma are Sophia's students.
And they can form a relationship with Sophia even without Dylan.
- Aiden is already forming a relationship with Sophia without Dylan.
- Jack developed his relationship with Sophia at the tanning salon without Dylan.
- Before Emma dated Dylan, she liked Sophia.

Sam is the son of the Parkers' friend, before Dylan's friend.

Patricia is Sophia's family member and has a direct relationship with her, but she is not the MC.

(My remarks are limited to Part 1.)