VN Ren'Py 16 Years Later! [Ep.15] [Wetdreamwalker]

[Sethus1]

I've downloaded that patch and still MC is talking only about "stepdaughters". AM I the only one?

 

[Rozhok]

I've downloaded that patch and still MC is talking only about "stepdaughters". AM I the only one?

Nope, stepcest here too.

 

[SlapE]

I've downloaded that patch and still MC is talking only about "stepdaughters". AM I the only one?

Nope, stepcest here too.

It's not step for me, so either you're using a different platform than I am, or you just did something incorrectly.

 

[divingmedic]

Nope, stepcest here too.

Sometimes the patch has to be updated after the game is updated.

 

[TheSidewinder]

I've downloaded that patch and still MC is talking only about "stepdaughters". AM I the only one?

Nope, stepcest here too.

You must use the "Game Mode", not the "Read Mode Romantic" or "Read Mode Rude" branches. Read my patch notes.
I believe you both are playing in Read Mode.

It's not step for me, so either you're using a different platform than I am, or you just did something incorrectly.

And you must be playing Game Mode, so the patch is doing its job.

Sometimes the patch has to be updated after the game is updated.

In this game the patch must be updated with each new release.

 

[Rozhok]

Yeah you're right, I was playing the read mode, which in my opinion is the only way to play this game (since its a novel). Thanks for claryfying!

 

[Uthuriel]

You must use the "Game Mode", not the "Read Mode Romantic" or "Read Mode Rude" branches. Read my patch notes.

Why did you make the patch that way?
Read mode seems way more intuitive.

 

[SlapE]

It's not like read mode and game mode are that much different anyways, the only difference is in game mode there are points, and you actually make choices. The choices however, are incredibly obvious 99% of the time. The points don't really matter from my experience, as long as you're making choices in favor of one specific direction more often than not, you're fine.

 

[TheSidewinder]

Why did you make the patch that way?
Read mode seems way more intuitive.

Because both Read-Rude and Read-Romantic have no (menu) choices. You make no decisions, it's all Kinetic.
My mod simply color-highlights the menu choices in the Game Mode and adds help text as needed. There's nothing I can do in the 2 Read paths.

It's not like read mode and game mode are that much different anyways, the only difference is in game mode there are points, and you actually make choices. The choices however, are incredibly obvious 99% of the time. The points don't really matter from my experience, as long as you're making choices in favor of one specific direction more often than not, you're fine.

Code-wise, they are quite different.

All said and done, if you like the mod, use it. If you prefer not to, then don't.

 

[Uthuriel]

Because both Read-Rude and Read-Romantic have no (menu) choices. You make no decisions, it's all Kinetic.
My mod simply color-highlights the menu choices in the Game Mode and adds help text as needed. There's nothing I can do in the 2 Read paths.

Ah, makes sense.
I didn't think about that...

 

[Sethus1]

You must use the "Game Mode", not the "Read Mode Romantic" or "Read Mode Rude" branches. Read my patch notes.
I believe you both are playing in Read Mode.

Dunno what happened in previous chapter, but the Game Mode changed into Read Mode (or I've started from the beginning and forgot? No idea). Thanks for clarifying, I've loaded save game from last year and it went smoothly.

 

[JoeTheMC84]

I was merely pointing out the absurdity, entitlement, and irrationality of the request by slightly modifying it. I could have modified it in any particular direction and achieved the same result. Complained that straight sex should be made optional. Complained that incest should be optional. Complained that sex with blondes or redheads should be optional. You know what? Playing this game is optional. How about this? Let the dev make the game they want to. I know it is a radical concept, but I promise you that the end result will be better. If you don't like it, then it isn't for you. There is a convenient recycle bin on your desktop just waiting to be fed. I shit can VNs that disgust me all the time because they contain fetishes that aren't for me, but no shame in the game. Different strokes for different folks. Live and let live. But when I see something that is ridiculous I'm going to ridicule it.

I know this is specific post is a year old, but I just started playing this game again (I started the first release when it came out but set it aside for a while, a friend suggest I give it another go with this most recent release) and I also hate when bisexuality in forced on the girls and the Mc enjoying it is forced. So, I just saw this. And my god the cognitive dissonance in this post is top tear blind spot and strawman,

Literally, the examples you just used are optional. There is an incest mod, because incest is optional. The red heads and blonds are optional because you can reject the girls. The straight sex is optional, again because you can reject the girls and as you said, just avoid the game.

Lesbian stuff should be optional too, and it should be really optional.


With that response out of the way the rest of this is more for others who read, hopefully including the developer:

I came to the thread because I just got the scene were Vanessa suddenly reveals that she is bisexual, which came out of nowhere, and I told her that what I do with Petra has nothing to do with her, and it seemed like that might close the route with Vanessa (the mod didn't say it did but her words made me think it might have so I came here to find out). (NOTE: I wrote the rest of this section before I found the answer, though I think my statements still speak to how out of place the scene feels) That would suck, and now I'm looking in the thread to see if that was the case, because if it is then I may quite the game now, as such a choice from the developer speaks a lot about the developer's mindset as to how little they actually respect their player's limits. I was already dubious with the Mc making statements about the three daughters potential doing stuff to "make the harem work" which is stupid and unnecessary, and I hoped that if it came to it, I could finally override that teenage boy style mindset the Mc seemed to have (And it seems like a lot of other players feel the same). Vanessa was into the Mc, she flirted with him, and was clearly interested in him. But if the Mc does stuff with Petra suddenly, she is so much more into Petra, someone she doesn't even know and has only seen once from a distance, that if the Mc tells her he isn't interested in a three-way thing he may lose any chance with her? But if Petra isn't involved with the Mc then he gets Vanessa, like a he's a consolation prize? This whole scene feels like it is a real 180 for her character too. She "isn't an easy woman," but she is willing to three-way fuck some random woman she doesn't even know and will even get that woman's number from a third party and text her out of the blue to set up the three-way??? How weird would that text be, "Hi, you don't know me, but I'm your realtor's neighbor, and I saw you from a distance and (borderline illegally) got your number from her, and I'd really like to fuck you and her dad at the same time..." That makes Vanessa seem really trashy to me. She flirts with the Mc but makes it clear she wants to take her time for a lot of reasons, her husband's actions and the fact that his old partner comes around to "check on her"... but then she didn't even know Petra's name and then suddenly wants to fuck her so badly that if the Mc says, "Naw, let's not mix these two relationships," it makes her upset enough to basically tell you to bounce and leave her house? Where did her unease about relationship building go? Where did her not being easy and wanting to take things slower go? Where did her fear of her husband's partner go?

And someone I saw here said that Amanda hints at being lesbian or bisexual too, is that true? The cute, super shy waitress... which would be even more out of established characters and come from nowhere. But since I closed the game until I can figure out if the bisexual stuff is actually avoidable, I haven't heard her say anything about it so idk if that's accurate.

Just saw the answer about the Vanessa thing, you can reject the triangle and still get Vanessa. So, I think I'll dive back in for now. I'll just pretend that conversation never happened if I have to, because it felt so out of place.

I hope it doesn't come up again and I really hope that Amanda isn't a lesbian or bisexual and I really, really, hope that this is an actual harem and not polyamory where the Mc just becomes a living dildo for a bunch of chicks who don't really need him which is what so many so called "harem" games have become, even MNF that this took inspiration from forced that stuff, but that was a different time, and we just took what we could get, but that doesn't cut it anymore. There are more AVNs out there than ever and the old troupes are getting played out and people know now how easy it is to code with Ren'py (especially dialog). Adding two versions for a line of dialog with an if/else statement takes a total of four lines of code.

if bisex == True:
mc "I'll need to talk the girls into loving each other, we can be a full loving family."
else:
mc "It might be hard when they find out I love them all, but they all love me and we have such strong bonds, I'm sure we can work it out."

Create the variable like you do for the blood, pregnancy, or accepting any girl into the harem. That's it, for the code.

Anyway, I ended up rambling a bit, I'll end my little essay for the time being.

 

[Harem4life]

I know this is specific post is a year old, but I just started playing this game again (I started the first release when it came out but set it aside for a while, a friend suggest I give it another go with this most recent release) and I also hate when bisexuality in forced on the girls and the Mc enjoying it is forced. So, I just saw this. And my god the cognitive dissonance in this post is top tear blind spot and strawman,

Literally, the examples you just used are optional. There is an incest mod, because incest is optional. The red heads and blonds are optional because you can reject the girls. The straight sex is optional, again because you can reject the girls and as you said, just avoid the game.

Lesbian stuff should be optional too, and it should be really optional.


With that response out of the way the rest of this is more for others who read, hopefully including the developer:

I came to the thread because I just got the scene were Vanessa suddenly reveals that she is bisexual, which came out of nowhere, and I told her that what I do with Petra has nothing to do with her, and it seemed like that might close the route with Vanessa (the mod didn't say it did but her words made me think it might have so I came here to find out). (NOTE: I wrote the rest of this section before I found the answer, though I think my statements still speak to how out of place the scene feels) That would suck, and now I'm looking in the thread to see if that was the case, because if it is then I may quite the game now, as such a choice from the developer speaks a lot about the developer's mindset as to how little they actually respect their player's limits. I was already dubious with the Mc making statements about the three daughters potential doing stuff to "make the harem work" which is stupid and unnecessary, and I hoped that if it came to it, I could finally override that teenage boy style mindset the Mc seemed to have (And it seems like a lot of other players feel the same). Vanessa was into the Mc, she flirted with him, and was clearly interested in him. But if the Mc does stuff with Petra suddenly, she is so much more into Petra, someone she doesn't even know and has only seen once from a distance, that if the Mc tells her he isn't interested in a three-way thing he may lose any chance with her? But if Petra isn't involved with the Mc then he gets Vanessa, like a he's a consolation prize? This whole scene feels like it is a real 180 for her character too. She "isn't an easy woman," but she is willing to three-way fuck some random woman she doesn't even know and will even get that woman's number from a third party and text her out of the blue to set up the three-way??? How weird would that text be, "Hi, you don't know me, but I'm your realtor's neighbor, and I saw you from a distance and (borderline illegally) got your number from her, and I'd really like to fuck you and her dad at the same time..." That makes Vanessa seem really trashy to me. She flirts with the Mc but makes it clear she wants to take her time for a lot of reasons, her husband's actions and the fact that his old partner comes around to "check on her"... but then she didn't even know Petra's name and then suddenly wants to fuck her so badly that if the Mc says, "Naw, let's not mix these two relationships," it makes her upset enough to basically tell you to bounce and leave her house? Where did her unease about relationship building go? Where did her not being easy and wanting to take things slower go? Where did her fear of her husband's partner go?

And someone I saw here said that Amanda hints at being lesbian or bisexual too, is that true? The cute, super shy waitress... which would be even more out of established characters and come from nowhere. But since I closed the game until I can figure out if the bisexual stuff is actually avoidable, I haven't heard her say anything about it so idk if that's accurate.

Just saw the answer about the Vanessa thing, you can reject the triangle and still get Vanessa. So, I think I'll dive back in for now. I'll just pretend that conversation never happened if I have to, because it felt so out of place.

I hope it doesn't come up again and I really hope that Amanda isn't a lesbian or bisexual and I really, really, hope that this is an actual harem and not polyamory where the Mc just becomes a living dildo for a bunch of chicks who don't really need him which is what so many so called "harem" games have become, even MNF that this took inspiration from forced that stuff, but that was a different time, and we just took what we could get, but that doesn't cut it anymore. There are more AVNs out there than ever and the old troupes are getting played out and people know now how easy it is to code with Ren'py (especially dialog). Adding two versions for a line of dialog with an if/else statement takes a total of four lines of code.

if bisex == True:
mc "I'll need to talk the girls into loving each other, we can be a full loving family."
else:
mc "It might be hard when they find out I love them all, but they all love me and we have such strong bonds, I'm sure we can work it out."

Create the variable like you do for the blood, pregnancy, or accepting any girl into the harem. That's it, for the code.

Anyway, I ended up rambling a bit, I'll end my little essay for the time being.

Vanessa isn't an easy woman but when it is about having sex with girls everything changes because

1) lesbians are hawt
2) having sex with a girl is not cheating. You're gay if you don't like that.
3) having sex with a girl doesn't make a woman easy since rules are different for each gender.
4) a girl can fuck the whole town and still call herself virgin because she only fucked girls. Only a man can take a girl's virginity.

 

[Uthuriel]

Vanessa isn't an easy woman but when it is about having sex with girls everything changes because

1) lesbians are hawt
2) having sex with a girl is not cheating. You're gay if you don't like that.
3) having sex with a girl doesn't make a woman easy since rules are different for each gender.
4) a girl can fuck the whole time and still call herself virgin because she only fucked girls. Only a man can take a girl's virginity.

 

[pds72]

I've downloaded that patch and still MC is talking only about "stepdaughters". AM I the only one?

Nope, stepcest here too.

You can try using the "Renaming" function of the Universal Ren'Py Mod You can have it replace "stepdaughter" with "daughter" NOTE: If there are any references they are step and not full. Like "We're not blood related ... blah ... blah" Those lines would need to be replaced as well (if there are any like that)


EDIT: When setting up. CHECK the "Replace parts of words" box. This way it will also replace "stepdaughters" and "stepdaughter's".

 

[TigerWolfe]

I know this is specific post is a year old, but I just started playing this game again (I started the first release when it came out but set it aside for a while, a friend suggest I give it another go with this most recent release) and I also hate when bisexuality in forced on the girls and the Mc enjoying it is forced. So, I just saw this. And my god the cognitive dissonance in this post is top tear blind spot and strawman,

Literally, the examples you just used are optional. There is an incest mod, because incest is optional. The red heads and blonds are optional because you can reject the girls. The straight sex is optional, again because you can reject the girls and as you said, just avoid the game.

Lesbian stuff should be optional too, and it should be really optional.


With that response out of the way the rest of this is more for others who read, hopefully including the developer:

I came to the thread because I just got the scene were Vanessa suddenly reveals that she is bisexual, which came out of nowhere, and I told her that what I do with Petra has nothing to do with her, and it seemed like that might close the route with Vanessa (the mod didn't say it did but her words made me think it might have so I came here to find out). (NOTE: I wrote the rest of this section before I found the answer, though I think my statements still speak to how out of place the scene feels) That would suck, and now I'm looking in the thread to see if that was the case, because if it is then I may quite the game now, as such a choice from the developer speaks a lot about the developer's mindset as to how little they actually respect their player's limits. I was already dubious with the Mc making statements about the three daughters potential doing stuff to "make the harem work" which is stupid and unnecessary, and I hoped that if it came to it, I could finally override that teenage boy style mindset the Mc seemed to have (And it seems like a lot of other players feel the same). Vanessa was into the Mc, she flirted with him, and was clearly interested in him. But if the Mc does stuff with Petra suddenly, she is so much more into Petra, someone she doesn't even know and has only seen once from a distance, that if the Mc tells her he isn't interested in a three-way thing he may lose any chance with her? But if Petra isn't involved with the Mc then he gets Vanessa, like a he's a consolation prize? This whole scene feels like it is a real 180 for her character too. She "isn't an easy woman," but she is willing to three-way fuck some random woman she doesn't even know and will even get that woman's number from a third party and text her out of the blue to set up the three-way??? How weird would that text be, "Hi, you don't know me, but I'm your realtor's neighbor, and I saw you from a distance and (borderline illegally) got your number from her, and I'd really like to fuck you and her dad at the same time..." That makes Vanessa seem really trashy to me. She flirts with the Mc but makes it clear she wants to take her time for a lot of reasons, her husband's actions and the fact that his old partner comes around to "check on her"... but then she didn't even know Petra's name and then suddenly wants to fuck her so badly that if the Mc says, "Naw, let's not mix these two relationships," it makes her upset enough to basically tell you to bounce and leave her house? Where did her unease about relationship building go? Where did her not being easy and wanting to take things slower go? Where did her fear of her husband's partner go?

And someone I saw here said that Amanda hints at being lesbian or bisexual too, is that true? The cute, super shy waitress... which would be even more out of established characters and come from nowhere. But since I closed the game until I can figure out if the bisexual stuff is actually avoidable, I haven't heard her say anything about it so idk if that's accurate.

Just saw the answer about the Vanessa thing, you can reject the triangle and still get Vanessa. So, I think I'll dive back in for now. I'll just pretend that conversation never happened if I have to, because it felt so out of place.

I hope it doesn't come up again and I really hope that Amanda isn't a lesbian or bisexual and I really, really, hope that this is an actual harem and not polyamory where the Mc just becomes a living dildo for a bunch of chicks who don't really need him which is what so many so called "harem" games have become, even MNF that this took inspiration from forced that stuff, but that was a different time, and we just took what we could get, but that doesn't cut it anymore. There are more AVNs out there than ever and the old troupes are getting played out and people know now how easy it is to code with Ren'py (especially dialog). Adding two versions for a line of dialog with an if/else statement takes a total of four lines of code.

if bisex == True:
mc "I'll need to talk the girls into loving each other, we can be a full loving family."
else:
mc "It might be hard when they find out I love them all, but they all love me and we have such strong bonds, I'm sure we can work it out."

Create the variable like you do for the blood, pregnancy, or accepting any girl into the harem. That's it, for the code.

Anyway, I ended up rambling a bit, I'll end my little essay for the time being.

Wow...

 

[Regardie]

What I have noticed with the incest patch is the patch files don't get updated for the early days so they have a file creation date from when they were created months ago. The game files for those early days did get touched by the game dev and have a later creation date. That means RenPy will not replace the games files with the patch files as it always uses the most recent file creation date.

What I did with my patch files is I opened them in Notepad++, made a change, put it back the way it was and saved the files so they are more recent then the dev's game files.

 

[jI11jaCksjAkk]

I have never had a patch work so inconsistently. I have tried all the modes at different times with different updates, and whenever things seem to be working OK I will still get an occasional 'step-daughter' thrown in, which personally takes me right out of the game. Not sure why this particular mod is so limited. I'm not a modder and definitely appreciate what they do...but it seems like if you can find-and-replace a term in one text file it wouldn't be all that hard to do a couple other script files while you're at it and have the mod be applicable to the entire game?? No? Sigh.

 

[jonquilnatrix]

The patch wasn't a simple replace X words with Y word patch. Games from a few years ago where all you had to do was replace landlord/roommate were easy patches or where all you had to do was remove step. You could make an simple patch script that autotmatically did this for all instances and it's even future compatible. But since the Patreon crackdown things have gotten less subtle and patching is more than just auto replace.

So this game It was a line by line patch which involves either reading every line in the script, or trying to do manual searches for every single possible "trigger" word or phrase, and things can definitely get missed easily ...

So let me give an example of patching by searching. If I were patching this game from the start I would start by using Notepad++ and doing a directory search for biological, relate, blood, adopt, and raise which were probably going to be easiest terms as long as you remember the terms since they aren't likely to appear a lot in the text. But then you also have to look for denials of relationship... Some games you an search for your basic words like dad, father, and daughter, offspring, kin, etc. But this game uses those words a lot! You also can't just search for words like "real" , "actual" or "not" as these words are incredibly common. So instead you need to try to think of phrases... not my, not real, not actual, not her, not your, aren't my, real dad, real father, real daughter, There's more but you get the idea. And even these are going to bring up a bunch of "false positives" that you need to read through. Even then you're still probably going to miss stuff that's more subtle, such as references to timelines that no longer fit. So yeah the only surefire way is to read everything word by word in the rpy files...

For the heck of it when I did my Barbara patch which involved the aforementioned tedious reading every single dam line of the script... I did note the following lines that could use fixing for the iPatch though which I've been meaning to post...

These definitely need fixed in the patch:

Day 9
"Because of your past, I thought I'm just imagining things... but there is nothing wrong about your relationship, since you aren't related at all."

Day 10
"Believe me we've talked about this countless times with [felicia] but neither of us care. Nor are we in a real father-daughter relationship."

Day 10
"But you're her father... at least that's how she sees you."

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This one might be fine...but the father in quotes makes this one a little shaky to me? At the very least I would remove the quotes around the word:
Day 10
"Since I've been back, I can't look at you as my daughters. But you really needed a man who would put your life in order like a 'father'."

Day 12 (This one may be a little trickier, but IMHO this dialogue exchange sequence doesn't make a lot of sense if Felicia/Tegan/Chloe are also biological daughters? This question only makes sense to be asked if the MC is only a pseudo father to the current girls?)
"If she was your daughter, would you still love us?"
"Stop talking nonsense! Even if she were my daughter, my feelings for you would not change."
"I knew you would say that and that's exactly why I love you so much."
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These one are kind of subtle and nitpicky, but I believe Felicia was around 3 when the MC was arrested so the one year timeline mentioned doesn't really fit when around since birth:

Day 10
"Technically you were [felicia]'s father for less than a year. And all she has left of you are a few hazy memories."

Day 11
"But at the time, I couldn't get over the thought that I had raised her as a little girl for over a year."

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I lean towards thinking these are fine, and work as just a display of Chloe's rebellious insolence, and non acceptance from his being absent from her life? Your call though, just want to point them our for your consideration :

Script.rpy
"You are not my father! Why don't you get it?"

Day 5
"Really [main]? Why should I have to tell you anything? You're still not my father... Stop bossing me around."


4/25 Edited to remove the fixed ones

 

[pds72]

I just started a few minutes ago, but on a lot of the pictures there is a vertical line at about a third of the screen.
Do I have a wrong version?

View attachment 3454261

Looks like a byproduct of the "greenscreen." The characters are rendered and then superimposed on the backdrop. This cut down on time as you don't have the render the whole room.