VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Ricthequick]

This scene was bizarrely poorly done. No variables are checked during the entire scene. It's one of the worst scenes in the game if not the worst, it's the DPC screaming in our faces that choices are illusions.

I don't want to start one of my lengthy and boring dissertations, but Zoey falls into the category of LIs I tend not to like.

I'm not speaking of her model (I actually like it), but she felt a bit forced to me, like one of the crowd favourites (named Valeria) in another good and popular VN.

LIs that are introduced later on during the story and that get sort of forced on the player, I understand that in most cases they were likely supposed to appear no matter what, but when interactions feel forced... breaks my immersion.

 

[L1m1tl3ss]

If I had to guess, based on Josy's hair and Nick with Tommy, it has something to do with the dorm party? And because Jill looks like an evil vampire, you're trying to say Maya had the best lewd/scene of Episode 8 or something? Best girl for the episode?

Uhh... sure.

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Uhh... sure.

 

[Anerror]

I agree. DPC seem a bit afraid to go too dark, something I find unfortunate. But after the extreme reactions to Acting Lessons, I kinda understand (fucking death threats because of a VN, some people are insane!!!).
It's too bad because some of DPC's best writing is in those scenes.

Aren't Quinn's friends and the physical confrontation hints for something dark or tragic which can later happen? I'd like see MC dealing with Vinny and Co or becoming the new source for Quinn's business. Thats the max level of darkness we might get. But i doubt it since MC has a good heart.

Edit: Mistakes.

 

[saynotoNTR]

Let's not go there man. It really is a touchy subject, you know?

I didn't say anything, you're the one assuming (perhaps wrongly) who I was talking about. Just saying.

LIs that are introduced later on during the story and that get sort of forced on the player, I understand that in most cases they were likely supposed to appear no matter what, but when interactions feel forced... breaks my immersion.

I understand what you mean, but I thought Zoey's addition would be worse. She's very charismatic and seems like a nice girl. I just wish I could ignore her like I can with Quinn or any other side girl. Just to be clear, I like Quinn... I ignore her because she doesn't like my CHICK MC.

 

[Crusader of Romance]

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Man that scene on the bench "pissed me off" so much, mostly because the first tiime I unlocked it I was on a DIK playthrough and made very little sense having Tremolo DIK every other girl around and then crumble sob his eyes out like a kid.

I always took it as him returning to the person he was before, when she left. It's been made very clear that he was very sensitive and emotional before Zoey left and I guess that side came back. No matter how much the players hate Zoey, the MC loved her. It can't be changed, just like it can't be changed that he fell in love with Josy. It's canon to the game.

 

[Crusader of Romance]

Aren't Quinns friends and the ühysical confrontation hints for somehing dark or tragic which can later happen? I'd like see MC dealing with Vinny and Co or becoming the new source for Quinn's business. Thats the max level of darkness we might get. But i doubt it since MC has a good heart.

There are hints, yes. But he seems to want to have the dark parts in smaller contained scenes. Giving the MC a dark past or sadness would have to affect the whole game and that's something he tries to avoid as much as possible.

 

[KАRАMBA]

Now I got confused: Can I push Dawe into the pool if I choose the CHICK option or not?

Why are you so heartless?
Dawe is going through difficult time. Leave the guy alone.
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[Anerror]

There are hints, yes. But he seems to want to have the dark parts in smaller contained scenes. Giving the MC a dark past or sadness would have to affect the whole game and that's something he tries to avoid as much as possible.

The dude has a sad past due to his loss of his mother. But yes that's not dark but sad.

 

[SharksLasers69]

Arieth is required just to continue the game, otherwise you can't even stay in the kitchen. But Dawe can't be pushed if you chose CHICK option. That major choice is such a fucking waste.

Agreed its a waste but into the pool Dawe goes every single time without fail. Just to hear people asking if he pissed himself again

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Man that scene on the bench "pissed me off" so much, mostly because the first tiime I unlocked it I was on a DIK playthrough and made very little sense having Tremolo DIK every other girl around and then crumble sob his eyes out like a kid.

one of the reasons why I do not like Zoey

 

[Crusader of Romance]

This scene was bizarrely poorly done. No variables are checked during the entire scene. It's one of the worst scenes in the game if not the worst, it's the DPC screaming in our faces that choices are illusions.

Not true. If you choose "I'm mad" he stays mad at her for the rest of the episode and it affects some parts, like the way the MC talks to her, you can't choose to offer her to stay the night and you can't choose her to win best costume.
The personality you have her in Interlude affects her personality but I'm not sure if it does in this scene or just later scenes.

 

[saynotoNTR]

There are hints, yes. But he seems to want to have the dark parts in smaller contained scenes. Giving the MC a dark past or sadness would have to affect the whole game and that's something he tries to avoid as much as possible.

Quinn is my ticket to a darker storyline. The problem is that I don't know how she's going to let CHICK MC help her. Between being saved by CHICK MC and dying in a fire, I'm sure Quinn would rather die in a fire.

Please, DPC! I want to show Quinn that my CHICK MC doesn't hold a grudge. I want her to see what a true white knight can do! I want to show that dalli_x was wronged by making Quinn crave CHICK MC!

Why are you so heartless?
Dawe is going through difficult time. Leave the guy alone.

Shit... the best posts always come when I have no reaction to give.

Not true. If you choose "I'm mad" he stays mad at her for the rest of the episode and it affects some parts, like the way the MC talks to her, you can't choose to offer her to stay the night and you can't choose her to win best costume.

I was referring to past variables, not new ones. Past choices were not taken into account at any point.

 

[Crusader of Romance]

She even got a proper introduction, No way you roll out a red carpet and than keep as a side chick.

This is why I think she will die.

 

[Ricthequick]

I always took it as him returning to the person he was before, when she left. It's been made very clear that he was very sensitive and emotional before Zoey left and I guess that side came back. No matter how much the players hate Zoey, the MC loved her. It can't be changed, just like it can't be changed that he fell in love with Josy. It's canon to the game.

This is where I both agree and disagree, if we were speaking of a Kinetic Novel I'd just shut my trap and move on, because it can make sense.

In BADIK thou we get plenty of choices to make Tremolo a different person, and while sure at his core he's still a relatively well defined person, going from sticking his dick (or trying to) into anything that moves to sitting on a bench crying because his 1st love has come back home...

 

[Crusader of Romance]

I was referring to past variables, not new ones. Past choices were not taken into account at any point.

Ah, true. But there weren't many choices for the MC about Zoey in the past.

 

[Crusader of Romance]

This is where I both agree and disagree, if we were speaking of a Kinetic Novel I'd just shut my trap and move on, because it can make sense.

In BADIK thou we get plenty of choices to make Tremolo a different person, and while sure at his core he's still a relatively well defined person, going from sticking his dick (or trying to) into anything that moves to sitting on a bench crying because his 1st love has come back home...

I think the idea is that he has changed, and Zoey makes that very clear. She mentions it a lot. Even the times the MC talks about his past we get a glimpse of that he wasn't at all like that, or the fact that he states clearly that he only had sex with one girl before coming to B&R. Like most VNs, we control the character during the game but not who they were in the past.

 

[saynotoNTR]

In BADIK thou we get plenty of choices to make Tremolo a different person, and while sure at his core he's still a relatively well defined person, going from sticking his dick (or trying to) into anything that moves to sitting on a bench crying because his 1st love has come back home...

The truth is that DPC was lazy when it came to creating this scene. It's that simple. Another classic example of DPC's laziness, when Quinn finds out that Vinny threatened MC with a gun. Her reaction is the same regardless of her relationship with MC.

If it's CHICK MC who she despises or DIK MC who she's in love with, it doesn't matter. The reaction is the same. What would it have cost DPC to have created 2-3 renders with different facial expressions? Nothing. It wasn't created out of laziness.

 

[NewTricks]

Not true. If you choose "I'm mad" he stays mad at her for the rest of the episode and it affects some parts, like the way the MC talks to her, you can't choose to offer her to stay the night and you can't choose her to win best costume.
The personality you have her in Interlude affects her personality but I'm not sure if it does in this scene or just later scenes.

Yes. If you make Zoey a DIK affinity in the interlude it does affect how she talks to other characters in the VN. My favorite being when she calls out Tommy at the Halloween party when they are on the roof. I don't know if it impacts the choices MC will have toward her or if his affinity clashing with hers will have an effect.

 

[Ricthequick]

I think the idea is that he has changed, and Zoey makes that very clear. She mentions it a lot. Even the times the MC talks about his past we get a glimpse of that he wasn't at all like that, or the fact that he states clearly that he only had sex with one girl before coming to B&R. Like most VNs, we control the character during the game but not who they were in the past.

(Please tell me to shut up else I'll never stop )

That's the core issue for me, it undermines every choice a player has make (if they went in a specific direction of course) until that point.
If that's who Tremolo really is it makes little sense for him to chase 1/2 of the women he can chase until then, and to be honest he should also then be allowed to react way worse to the whole Josy+Maya situation.

 

[saynotoNTR]

Ah, true. But there weren't many choices for the MC about Zoey in the past.

The choices didn't have to be related to Zoey specifically. Many DIK players were upset to see the MC crying. Why didn't the DPC just give the DIK MC a sad reaction instead of making him cry like a little girl? In the end, the past choices didn't serve any purpose in this scene.