Goblin Slayer (light novel)
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| i like the rape scenes it fulfils a fantasy of mine |
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| I've replied to this so many times I'm just going to quote myself. NthDegree said: This again? *sigh* Compelling fantasy world? You mean that generic not-game-but-totally-is setting with "adventurers" and a ton of RPG tropes that almost every fantasy world uses nowadays? And tension in fights? Pfft. GS just throws a bunch of totally disposable party memebers at us and then expects us to be invested despite completely forgetting to give us a reason to care about them. And speaking of pandering, what was that gratuitous violence and rape about? Because we have no reason to care about the characters, it served no narrative purpose other than being misery porn for people who like that. |
| I like How its not Afraid to Show Dark themes like Other Anime Out there. For Example If it was Done by David Pro it would have had Perfect Animation but Most of Episode 1 Would've been Censored like the first (TV) realease of all jojo parts. I liked the protagonist even though I know it wll become anoying after a While. Its Kinda like the Anime form of the Moth/lamp or Printer/Magenta memes. Funy or Cool at first but then it becomes annoying. |
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Afloo said: I like How its not Afraid to Show Dark themes like Other Anime Out there. For Example If it was Done by David Pro it would have had Perfect Animation but Most of Episode 1 Would've been Censored like the first (TV) realease of all jojo parts. I liked the protagonist even though I know it wll become anoying after a While. Its Kinda like the Anime form of the Moth/lamp or Printer/Magenta memes. Funy or Cool at first but then it becomes annoying. Is the Tv station that put the censure, not the studio. |
| GOblin Slayer himself is kinda cool, everything else about the show is generic and by the books but Gs himself is kinda intimidating and badass at least |
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| It isn't impressive at all. Most people are making a big deal out of it due to the "rape scenes." |
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| I like how they set up Goblin Slayers motive, I feel like it would be a pretty common reaction for most people, considering what the goblins do. It also just feels different, takes big risks where other shows may shy away from. I think my main problem that a lot of people can agree on, is the decision to make Goblin Slayer full CG sometimes. I don't get why they do that, really annoying. If anyone knows why, it'd be nice to know. I can understand why people may not like it (rape scenes, GS getting old), but I feel like some reactions can be overblown sometimes (they do warn people at the beginning of the show that it's dark, and tbh, a lot of things are unfortunately generic nowadays :/) |
| I like the Goblin Slayers character. He is smart, efficient, relentless. His power come from knowledge, not superpower. His motive is somewhat generic (vengence, whole family is killed, etc) but that is fine. |
Username23489023 said: I like that they took a group of people, muslims, and just renamed them goblins, and no one realizes it. "Goblins" move into a white european county, start burning shit down and and kidnapping and raping girls, since, you know, they are just white slags to them. Only in this series, there is a Tommy Robinson figure, that is actually supported by the local government, who goes around removing this trash from society. Congrats that's the biggest pile of bullshit I've ever read on these forums. I presume your trolling because if your serious you've got issues. |
| Goblin Slayer is badass. That's the main reason. |
| i like the anime personally though not my favorite in this season. Previously, i once was arguing with a person who said the rape scene is too much and he can't handle it, but then i checked his anime list and there are some hentai anime with story (because story in hentai is just an addition people won't care) in his list, such Inma Saiden, Kite, and Demon Invasion which i think he is being hypocriate.. |
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| Lunatic, Mass Murder, Bestially, Slavery, and Incest are okay for me (might even be good). But rape is a no-no. People who enjoy it are sick in the brain. - "Sincerely everyone in my social media group" |
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| They should have at least showed the nipples of the girls, totally unsatisfying. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
ArdanazOct 14, 2018 12:35 PM
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Vivir said: Blessed_ said: Lunatic, Mass Murder, Bestially, Slavery, and Incest are okay for me (might even be good). But rape is a no-no. People who enjoy it are sick in the brain. - "Sincerely everyone in my social media group" What the hell is this supposed to mean? That's that. Many people telling me or everyone that like the show that we are straight up psycho, yet they watch the show which has one or more the other traits and some of them enjoy the show. |
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| cow girl voice was crap and annoying. it not R-rate anime. soundtrack pretty much generic manga and LN also Better. |
| I hardly see dark animes that properly deliver an oh shit moment. Most of the times it's cheesy with a scream. However, the first episode showed a knife going through the lower half, rape, butcher, and the screams. My god, it reminded me of the scene from "Made in Abyss" where Riko was screaming in pain, and Regu was flustered. I kind of dislike how adventurers survive through coincidences and "sudden" motivation. That's like going to battle, being ambushed, then suddenly an artillery strike saves the day. No. Shit happens, and it sucks. Also, most adventure animes tend to have characters fight mindless monsters and come off with a few scratches. In this anime, shit goes down south, and that sudden turn of events is how adventures should be. Now, I'm not saying that this anime was good because it had a rape scene but think we can agree that the first episode was dark. I know that they can't stick to the manga, but I hope that they made it similar. |
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... no, I meant that it's shocking you love that rape scene, just before, I was reading this in reddit Somehow the fact that we don't see the rape explicitly makes it far worse for me. The fact that it shows the girl's face, with dead eyes accepting her fate made it horribly personable. As a woman it made it feel real and made me sick to my stomach. I watched berserk happily and never had a problem but that scene traumatised me and I turned off immediately. while that girl got some consolation and a bit of support to her statement, your statement surprised me especially when you've stated that you're "turned-on" |
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| Okay. Grimdark is not a criticism. Grimdark is an aesthetic. There's nothing wrong with grimdark. There is everything wrong with bad grimdark. And this show is bad grimdark. I have literally hundreds of Western fantasy literature works under my belt and this show fits the pattern of bad grimdark. It has the characteristics of everything bad grimdark has. The first is that it absolutely refuses to hurt any of its main casts beyond backstory fluff and trauma that disappears quickly when the author doesn't need it anymore. I find that people tend to gravitate towards dark fantasy anime because they’re tired of the fluffy bunny shows. But that’s exactly what bad grimdark is, a fluffy bunny show wearing black paint. "Wolololo this is a dark gritty world and people get hurt, except out main characters because they're main characters". Lazy. Good grimdark often takes from its characters, from loss of love ones, trauma, even mutilation. A character can lose a tongue or get gelded and his narrative moves towards how it affects him. Two: bad grimdark, like most bad writing, is in a massive hurry to get to the good stuff of the story to the exclusion of all else and shot their pacing to bits along the way. They’re so scared of losing their audience because they have nothing else going on except shock and brutality. The moment they slow down for an introspective look, their rank garbage writing shows. They can rarely give a moment the clarity, hilarity, or gravity it deserves. I mean for fuck’s sake, one of “grimdark” fantasies’ most popular and near peerless examples, A Song of Ice and Fire, didn’t start with rape, mutilation, and murder. It started through the POVs of a handful of highborn children, their mother, their father, and a drunken and witty dwarf. The children were fucking around in their ancestral castle, the parents were discussing politics and family, and the dwarf would have literally fucked around. And it’s thanks to the GRRM Reaper’s prose that they came alive in the pages of the first book. The second criticism is that the action is butt-ugly. It refuses to use wide angle shots to properly convey the entirety of a fight. As I’ve said before, a fight is a synthesis: thesis and anti-thesis, action and reaction. Here, there’s still the tendency to have action occur in one frame, showing only one character, then the reaction in the next frame, showing the target. Refusing to show both action and reaction in one frame rids the viewer of a frame of reference to ground the action which ends up limiting the impact of a fight. Here, I have several supplementary videos. This is about action-comedy but it applies just as well to simple action. Skip to this part And this one, for anime: |
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Username23489023 said: I like that they took a group of people, muslims, and just renamed them goblins, and no one realizes it. "Goblins" move into a white european county, start burning shit down and and kidnapping and raping girls, since, you know, they are just white slags to them. Only in this series, there is a Tommy Robinson figure, that is actually supported by the local government, who goes around removing this trash from society. You could do this with anything: I like that they took a group of people, european settlers of America, and just renamed them goblins, and no one realizes it. "Goblins" move into America, start burning shit down and kidnapping and raping girls, since, you know, they are just native slags to them. Only in this series, the native tribes remove this trash from society. So it's not really about muslims, unless for some reason you want to interpret it that way. I've heard this argument before that goblin slayer somehow has a racist or discriminatory message, but goblins aren't a race, they are a different species. Otherwise you could say any fantasy story where creatures are killed is actually about racism. |
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| My problem would be the lack of story and personality to the characters. From what the LN/manga people were saying and from what I've seen in the first episode, I just feel like there is nothing to the characters. The fact that they don't even get names makes me feel like they are only there to be tropes. Plus some plot holes I felt with the goblins and the whole world they were trying to build. |
Eanki said: Okay. Grimdark is not a criticism. Grimdark is an aesthetic. There's nothing wrong with grimdark. There is everything wrong with bad grimdark. And this show is bad grimdark. I have literally hundreds of Western fantasy literature works under my belt and this show fits the pattern of bad grimdark. It has the characteristics of everything bad grimdark has. The first is that it absolutely refuses to hurt any of its main casts beyond backstory fluff and trauma that disappears quickly when the author doesn't need it anymore. I find that people tend to gravitate towards dark fantasy anime because they’re tired of the fluffy bunny shows. But that’s exactly what bad grimdark is, a fluffy bunny show wearing black paint. "Wolololo this is a dark gritty world and people get hurt, except out main characters because they're main characters". Lazy. Good grimdark often takes from its characters, from loss of love ones, trauma, even mutilation. A character can lose a tongue or get gelded and his narrative moves towards how it affects him. Two: bad grimdark, like most bad writing, is in a massive hurry to get to the good stuff of the story to the exclusion of all else and shot their pacing to bits along the way. They’re so scared of losing their audience because they have nothing else going on except shock and brutality. The moment they slow down for an introspective look, their rank garbage writing shows. They can rarely give a moment the clarity, hilarity, or gravity it deserves. I mean for fuck’s sake, one of “grimdark” fantasies’ most popular and near peerless examples, A Song of Ice and Fire, didn’t start with rape, mutilation, and murder. It started through the POVs of a handful of highborn children, their mother, their father, and a drunken and witty dwarf. The children were fucking around in their ancestral castle, the parents were discussing politics and family, and the dwarf would have literally fucked around. And it’s thanks to the GRRM Reaper’s prose that they came alive in the pages of the first book. The second criticism is that the action is butt-ugly. It refuses to use wide angle shots to properly convey the entirety of a fight. As I’ve said before, a fight is a synthesis: thesis and anti-thesis, action and reaction. Here, there’s still the tendency to have action occur in one frame, showing only one character, then the reaction in the next frame, showing the target. Refusing to show both action and reaction in one frame rids the viewer of a frame of reference to ground the action which ends up limiting the impact of a fight. Here, I have several supplementary videos. This is about action-comedy but it applies just as well to simple action. Skip to this part And this one, for anime: Damn Doofenschmirtz. You nailed that criticism. I think in the second episode they really showed what you said about not having time for a moment of introspection. When they showed the backstory of Goblin slayer they did so with short flashbacks next to scenes of him preparing for battle, and then they quickly went on to the action. No time to let his emotions make an impact or anything. |
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Tuchari said: You could do this with anything: I like that they took a group of people, european settlers of America, and just renamed them goblins, and no one realizes it. "Goblins" move into America, start burning shit down and kidnapping and raping girls, since, you know, they are just native slags to them. Only in this series, the native tribes remove this trash from society. Most indians were nomadic, moving with the weather and animals. No real towns to burn down. Settlers were christian puritans, who did not believe in rape (hence the current atmosphere of rape being bad). So, they didn't burn shit down, or kidnap and rape indian girls. The settlers fought off indians and set up boundaries, annexing large swaths of land that previously did not have boundaries. The anime that best fits this would be the gate one, where the indigenous people of magicland were dominated by the japanese and their modern weaponry. Though that doesn't fit well either, they had midevil euro style towns, not the nomadic type indians had. goblins aren't a race, they are a different species. Ah, that's the same logic the whites used to try and eliminate blacks through eugenics programs back in the 1920s. |
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| I love it because I was sick of harem, ecchi, comedy type of shows. I finally found a dark fantasy show that isn't afraid of showing. I don't give a crap what other people think of the show and they can call me a bad person who enjoys sickening things and blah blah blah... Like I said, don't give a crap. |
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| I dislike Goblin Slayer because people are praising it as a "dark fantasy." Most of those people probably don't even know what a dark fantasy even is. Goblin Slayer is nothing more than ostentatious shock value. I don't mind rape scenes, I don't mind violence, I don't mind horror-like elements... as long as they are all executed in a tasteful manner and have a narrative purpose. I have no reason to care for the characters in the first episode since it is so blatantly obvious they only exist to die. It's all just shock value. Goblin Slayer is not dark. Dark is when a piece of fiction actually has something meaningful to say - it is something that makes you think and genuinely fear. There are dark anime and manga, such as Texhnolyze, Serial Experiments Lain, Berserk, Houseki no Kuni, etc. So, what does Goblin Slayer have to say? Goblins are evil... because goblins. It's just too black and white; it feels more like a children's story. Overall, it seems that Goblin Slayer is just another generic seasonal anime: much like Re:Zero was before it, and SAO before that. Eventually the hype will die down. Now, I don't care if you like Goblin Slayer. Opinions are opinions, after all, and you have every right to enjoy this series if you want to. I'll respect your opinions as long as you respect mine. With that said, I do think fans of the series should accept criticism. All my criticism is of the series itself and is in no way a personal attack against fans. |
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Username23489023 said: Tuchari said: You could do this with anything: I like that they took a group of people, european settlers of America, and just renamed them goblins, and no one realizes it. "Goblins" move into America, start burning shit down and kidnapping and raping girls, since, you know, they are just native slags to them. Only in this series, the native tribes remove this trash from society. Most indians were nomadic, moving with the weather and animals. No real towns to burn down. Settlers were christian puritans, who did not believe in rape (hence the current atmosphere of rape being bad). So, they didn't burn shit down, or kidnap and rape indian girls. The settlers fought off indians and set up boundaries, annexing large swaths of land that previously did not have boundaries. The anime that best fits this would be the gate one, where the indigenous people of magicland were dominated by the japanese and their modern weaponry. Though that doesn't fit well either, they had midevil euro style towns, not the nomadic type indians had. goblins aren't a race, they are a different species. Ah, that's the same logic the whites used to try and eliminate blacks through eugenics programs back in the 1920s.You think being nomadic makes you immune to having your stuff burnt? I never used the word town, neither did you until your last comment. And if you think christian puritanism is the ultimate safeguard against rape, think again. Now you're just looking for differences so you can argue your point. You say that goblins being a different species is the logic whites used against blacks. You miss the point that I made afterwards: every fantasy story where non-humans are killed becomes racist. Harry Potter killing the basilisk in the second movie becomes racist because he kills something that hides underground, just like Osama Bin Laden was hiding underground in a cave. Woah, racism. In neon genesis evangelion some of the angels that they kill are black. Wow, the similarities. The fact that Guts from Berserk can kill so many demonic creatures without remorse must certainly also be a reference to the logic the whites used to eliminate the blacks. Fictional stories become so much fun when you interpret them through the lens that sees everything as racist. |
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Purple_Gh0st24 said: I dislike Goblin Slayer because people are praising it as a "dark fantasy." Most of those people probably don't even know what a dark fantasy even is. Goblin Slayer is nothing more than ostentatious shock value. I don't mind rape scenes, I don't mind violence, I don't mind horror-like elements... as long as they are all executed in a tasteful manner and have a narrative purpose. I have no reason to care for the characters in the first episode since it is so blatantly obvious they only exist to die. It's all just shock value. Goblin Slayer is not dark. Dark is when a piece of fiction actually has something meaningful to say - it is something that makes you think and genuinely fear. There are dark anime and manga, such as Texhnolyze, Serial Experiments Lain, Berserk, Houseki no Kuni, etc. So, what does Goblin Slayer have to say? Goblins are evil... because goblins. It's just too black and white; it feels more like a children's story. Overall, it seems that Goblin Slayer is just another generic seasonal anime: much like Re:Zero was before it, and SAO before that. Eventually the hype will die down. Now, I don't care if you like Goblin Slayer. Opinions are opinions, after all, and you have every right to enjoy this series if you want to. I'll respect your opinions as long as you respect mine. With that said, I do think fans of the series should accept criticism. All my criticism is of the series itself and is in no way a personal attack against fans. Sorry, I'm gonna have to make this personal. You say that rape scenes are only ok when executed in a tasteful manner but I see that you rated a hentai OVA about a little girl being raped by her friends a 6. |
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epidemia78 said: Purple_Gh0st24 said: I dislike Goblin Slayer because people are praising it as a "dark fantasy." Most of those people probably don't even know what a dark fantasy even is. Goblin Slayer is nothing more than ostentatious shock value. I don't mind rape scenes, I don't mind violence, I don't mind horror-like elements... as long as they are all executed in a tasteful manner and have a narrative purpose. I have no reason to care for the characters in the first episode since it is so blatantly obvious they only exist to die. It's all just shock value. Goblin Slayer is not dark. Dark is when a piece of fiction actually has something meaningful to say - it is something that makes you think and genuinely fear. There are dark anime and manga, such as Texhnolyze, Serial Experiments Lain, Berserk, Houseki no Kuni, etc. So, what does Goblin Slayer have to say? Goblins are evil... because goblins. It's just too black and white; it feels more like a children's story. Overall, it seems that Goblin Slayer is just another generic seasonal anime: much like Re:Zero was before it, and SAO before that. Eventually the hype will die down. Now, I don't care if you like Goblin Slayer. Opinions are opinions, after all, and you have every right to enjoy this series if you want to. I'll respect your opinions as long as you respect mine. With that said, I do think fans of the series should accept criticism. All my criticism is of the series itself and is in no way a personal attack against fans. Sorry, I'm gonna have to make this personal. You say that rape scenes are only ok when executed in a tasteful manner but I see that you rated a hentai OVA about a little girl being raped by her friends a 6. Yes, because that's hentai. Goblin Slayer isn't a hentai, so the standards are different. |
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Purple_Gh0st24 said: Yes, because that's hentai. Goblin Slayer isn't a hentai, so the standards are different. Ok, so you can grade hentai on a curve because of what it is but you can't accept Goblin Slayer for what it is? It's not meant to be deep or thought provoking. Its a show about a guy who kills goblins. |
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epidemia78 said: Purple_Gh0st24 said: Yes, because that's hentai. Goblin Slayer isn't a hentai, so the standards are different. Ok, so you can grade hentai on a curve because of what it is but you can't accept Goblin Slayer for what it is? It's not meant to be deep or thought provoking. Its a show about a guy who kills goblins. Well, that's the crux of the problem. It is just a meaningless series. Honestly, I wouldn't care about Goblin Slayer if it wasn't for all the people praising it as a dark fantasy, something it really isn't. As I said before, something can only be dark if it it is though-provoking. You admit that Goblin Slayer isn't, so do you also admit it isn't dark? |
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| I love it. the MC is a badass. Seeing those little ugly rapist slaughtered to the last of their spawn is fun. Said this in another thread: IMO this show follows spaghetti western formula, just like fist of the north star. Definitely not a blockbuster, but legit edgy entertainment.(shoot.. I used EDGY) Though people praising this series as something more than it is are off-putting. Especially those that cheers for the violence done by those goblins but hypocritically self insert to the GS. Like that video said, a hypocrite edgelords. |
Purple_Gh0st24 said: Well, that's the crux of the problem. It is just a meaningless series. Honestly, I wouldn't care about Goblin Slayer if it wasn't for all the people praising it as a dark fantasy, something it really isn't. As I said before, something can only be dark if it it is though-provoking. You admit that Goblin Slayer isn't, so do you also admit it isn't dark? It is most certainly a fantasy with some pretty blatant D&D influences. Compared to some fantasy universes like say....Harry Potter, is Goblin Slayer dark? |
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epidemia78 said: Purple_Gh0st24 said: Well, that's the crux of the problem. It is just a meaningless series. Honestly, I wouldn't care about Goblin Slayer if it wasn't for all the people praising it as a dark fantasy, something it really isn't. As I said before, something can only be dark if it it is though-provoking. You admit that Goblin Slayer isn't, so do you also admit it isn't dark? It is most certainly a fantasy with some pretty blatant D&D influences. Compared to some fantasy universes like say....Harry Potter, is Goblin Slayer dark? I am a little confused why you'd bring up Harry Potter, but to answer your question: no. Harry Potter is darker than Goblin Slayer, and something like Berserk is darker still. |
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Purple_Gh0st24 said: I am a little confused why you'd bring up Harry Potter, but to answer your question: no. Harry Potter is darker than Goblin Slayer, and something like Berserk is darker still. Harry Potter is darker than Goblin Slayer? what a strange thing to say. |
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| I like how it tries to take a realistic approach (as much as the setting allows), that violence and Goblin Slayer's thinking, after what he'd gone through, are relatable: he's become a monster who kills monsters as it was the only way for him to even go on (because let's face it, irl the power of friendship that shounens love so much rarely helps if at all, much less saves irrevocably damaged people) |
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