VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

Let's start with, I love this game and it is fantastic and amazing.

Let's continue with, your creative process is yielding incredible results. Just frustratingly slowly and as a fan (but admittedly not a financial supporter) I want to pump out ideas to speed things up.

To your points,

Lust&Passion said:

That's why I also said a couple of times why it's difficult to help in this case because I never know 100% how a scene should look like. I got a picture of it and know what should happen. But the details I only know when actual start working on it.
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But that scripts get edited during a creation process is perfectly normal and happens everywhere in the showbusiness.
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My personal take on this remark is that it is genuine and sincere but lacks a sense of self-awareness. Of course no production knows 100% how a scene or an event will ultimately turn out. But they sure as heck don't build the sets and call in the the props department and the set decorators, and set the lighting teams to work, and the camera crews and the film loaders and the catering crew and call the actors to the stage, [etc.] without being 90-95% locked down.

The world over there are many many productions that are restricted by budget and schedules which make "a bunch of changes" completely unfeasible. There will be a producer on site nixing anything that could blow a hole in the budget or delay production. This is not a truism for all productions, of course, but I'd suggest that the vast majority do work under incredibly strict constraints.

Lust&Passion said:

There's no movie or TV show which doesn't get a bunch of changes during the shooting process.

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This is simply not true. Sure, there are some where budgets are looser and production schedules have a lot of buffer time built in but I'd argue this is a minority. Small changes, sure, re-staging a shot within a scene, sure, but generally
speaking definitely not "a bunch of changes".

As a patron-sponsored creator you don't have these constraints and that is exactly what Patreon is supposed to provide - financial support to allow creative freedom. I just wonder if that freedom isn't running amok and perverting a creative process into an obsessive one.

yes, and i bet a trust.there will only be, 2 updates in 2021. day 13 won´:T START UNTIL JANUARY and end june 2023.

Does anybody else feel that Dylan has become or is becoming a secondary protagonist? We have the ability to somewhat shape his personality he gets to decide if Sam is at the fashion show and we can take control of him during the yoga event. It doesn't bother me, alot of storys switch to another protagonist at points and it can work quite well. So do you guys like having control of Dylan or would you rather just total focus on Sophia's point of view?

Atton563 said:

Does anybody else feel that Dylan has become or is becoming a secondary protagonist? We have the ability to somewhat shape his personality he gets to decide if Sam is at the fashion show and we can take control of him during the yoga event. It doesn't bother me, alot of storys switch to another protagonist at points and it can work quite well. So do you guys like having control of Dylan or would you rather just total focus on Sophia's point of view?

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I play this game because I enjoy female protagonist games. The game is called "A Wife and Mother" after all. The game description is that of a female protagonist game. The introduction calls Sophia the protagonist.

Atton563 said:

Does anybody else feel that Dylan has become or is becoming a secondary protagonist? We have the ability to somewhat shape his personality he gets to decide if Sam is at the fashion show and we can take control of him during the yoga event. It doesn't bother me, alot of storys switch to another protagonist at points and it can work quite well. So do you guys like having control of Dylan or would you rather just total focus on Sophia's point of view?

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I've heard of such plans before. But I hope, they´re not true. Because the entire game so far is focused on Sofia. Changing the MC now would turn the whole game upside down and with a lot of the content already hinted at it would not make any sense at all. The entire planned cheating content would neither make sense nor work from Dylan's point of view.

In my eyes that would be the final death blow for the game. Especially after such a long time as we are already being blue balled. It is much more desirable for the developer to slowly get down to business: finally start delivering content.

Atton563 said:

Does anybody else feel that Dylan has become or is becoming a secondary protagonist? We have the ability to somewhat shape his personality he gets to decide if Sam is at the fashion show and we can take control of him during the yoga event. It doesn't bother me, alot of storys switch to another protagonist at points and it can work quite well. So do you guys like having control of Dylan or would you rather just total focus on Sophia's point of view?

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His meaning in the game to me is for cuckold, Sophia she is belong to Sam or Aiden.

Atton563 said:

Does anybody else feel that Dylan has become or is becoming a secondary protagonist? We have the ability to somewhat shape his personality he gets to decide if Sam is at the fashion show and we can take control of him during the yoga event. It doesn't bother me, alot of storys switch to another protagonist at points and it can work quite well. So do you guys like having control of Dylan or would you rather just total focus on Sophia's point of view?

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Put me down for Sophia only, Pygmy is getting way too much time and scenes. Just let him lose his virginity already & leave mom alone. He should be trying to get with Amber (who already admits she likes him & teases him) or the other girl from yoga

exazubi said:

I've heard of such plans before. But I hope, they´re not true. Because the entire game so far is focused on Sofia. Changing the MC now would turn the whole game upside down and with a lot of the content already hinted at it would not make any sense at all. The entire planned cheating content would neither make sense nor work from Dylan's point of view.

In my eyes that would be the final death blow for the game. Especially after such a long time as we are already being blue balled. It is much more desirable for the developer to slowly get down to business: finally start delivering content.

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Sophia is the main MC and Dylan is now like the 2nd MC

trupervent10001 said:

A real alpha male
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He looks like one of those puppets in “Team America world police”

トルフィン said:

His meaning in the game to me is for cuckold,Sophia is belong to Sam or Aiden.

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If she's gonna fuck her daughter she has to fuck her son it's what a good mother would do, equality and all that.

exazubi said:

I've heard of such plans before. But I hope, they´re not true. Because the entire game so far is focused on Sofia. Changing the MC now would turn the whole game upside down and with a lot of the content already hinted at it would not make any sense at all. The entire planned cheating content would neither make sense nor work from Dylan's point of view.

In my eyes that would be the final death blow for the game. Especially after such a long time as we are already being blue balled. It is much more desirable for the developer to slowly get down to business: finally start delivering content.

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I was in no way saying to stop following Sophia as the MC I was just asking if people like or would take away the ability to shape Dylan in the game.

DIRTY Filthy Animal said:

Put me down for Sophia only, Pygmy is getting way too much time and scenes. Just let him lose his virginity already & leave mom alone. He should be trying to get with Amber (who already admits she likes him & teases him) or the other girl from yoga

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Marie. Who Dylan can pursue regardless of being at boarding school or not, unlike Amber and Emma

That patreon should have a weekly spoiler just like other big games.
Eases up the wait for some people ad focus the discussion on whats going to happen, just like the Aiden spoilers.

Someone was talking in some post earlier
"It's time for the game to have content".

The game has content, it doesn't need to go full blown sexual to be considered "content". The in-game pace is fine and makes sense for the most part.

It's the development cycle time that is warping your sense of "content" and "in-game pace".

Leldorin said:

He looks like one of those puppets in “Team America world police”

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And that's not bad

トルフィン said:

His meaning in the game to me is for cuckold, Sophia she is belong to Sam or Aiden.

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Dylan Stealth

trupervent10001 said:

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Dylan Stealth

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Maybe he will be setting up his mother with other people so he can watch them having sex.

KillJoys said:

Maybe he will be setting up his mother with other people so he can watch them having sex.

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there are a lot of hints with the soccer team and Sam, anyway, there is a player's choice here

Noriss said:

If Sophia didn't tell the guys in the sauna that she and Patricia are married,
she will automatically tell Liam that she is going to spend the night with her sister and daughter

Please tell me! This is where, what are the guys in the sauna? Where did I miss this? What a day at least. Sofia misses the line with the club because of this.

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If you skip Dylan's soccer game and spend time with Ellie instead, you can take her and Patricia to the sauna, meeting the college guys on day 15. If you follow Mamonetti's walkthrough, assuming you want all the major scenes, that's the easiest way to see it

trupervent10001 said:

there are a lot of hints with the soccer team and Sam, anyway, there is a player's choice here

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The pygmy still has some fetishes that we have not seen yet

exazubi said:

I've heard of such plans before. But I hope, they´re not true. Because the entire game so far is focused on Sofia. Changing the MC now would turn the whole game upside down and with a lot of the content already hinted at it would not make any sense at all. The entire planned cheating content would neither make sense nor work from Dylan's point of view.

In my eyes that would be the final death blow for the game. Especially after such a long time as we are already being blue balled. It is much more desirable for the developer to slowly get down to business: finally start delivering content.

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Sadly, there are already Dylan POV events: he helps Ellie with her computer and of course the yoga scene is retold from his POV. The yoga in particular was just unimaginative dross. So it's reasonable to expect more.